Court records say George Zimmerman had multiple injuries after Trayvon Martin's fatal shooting

no, by not getting florida into a battle ground.
nothing wrong with letting the facts come out in court.
would it help to talk about things after the arrest?

I am inclined to beleive Zimmerman inflicted those wounds on himself after the fact, and I will not beleive it until we see the report from the paramedics at the scene of the shooting. Going by the police video immediately after Zimmerman was arrested he did not appear to have any injuries.

Also, as someone else has mentioned he is going to be charged with a hate crime. Which I think is warranted.

And you base that on......

To my knowledge, that medical report that stated his injuries was taken the day AFTER the alleged incident. It can be argued and reasonable doubt given he caused those injuries to himself at a later date or they were caused by another incident. I am not saying that is what happened, only saying what can happen when evidence is introduced from a medical report that was taken a day after an altercation happened.

I have not seen a report by the responding peace officers and/or the paramedics that treated him on the scene as to his injuries and the extent of them.

That could exist but to my knowledge, I have not seen it leaked or presented to media.

Also, the attending physician told Zimmerman and it was on the report that he needed to follow up with an ear, nose and throat specialist due to his injuries and he chose not to.

I can only respond to the evidence that is presented and yes, its good for the defense he has documented injuries but because what is presented is evidence from a day later the alleged incident, reasonable doubt can be raised by the prosecution.

Then, it does not mean he was not the aggressor. As I stated before, if someone attacks me and I fight back and they get the worst of it, that is not a legal case of self defense if you shoot me dead when you started it. The injuries were documented but it does not say if Martin or Zimmerman started it.

I am just saying what the evidence means. It means he had an injury the day after and because it was reported the day after, a lot of reasonable doubt can be argued.

What if today someone attacks me and I get one black eye then later that night I fall in my tub and get a broken arm and I go to doctor tomorrow for both. Its important to know what injuries he had right after the incident and not just what was showing the day after.

I don't know what time he went to the hospital to get his injuries looked at, but the 911 call that recorded the shooting happened at 7:09 pm. He was in police custody for a few hours....it's not unreasonable to think he went after he was released.




I imagine it will be made available to the jury.

I am not saying it was or was not reasonable. I am discussing issues that could be raised because the injuries were observed and documented the next day.

1. Him having any injuries does not prove he acted in self defense.

2. Him having injuries does not prove who started this altercation.

3. The injuries were observed the next day.
a. did he get them elsewhere?
b. did he do them himself?
c. did he get someone else to do it?
d. were the injuries caused because he attacked Martin first or did Martin attack him first?

4. We have not seen the report of the attending peace officers or paramedics stating what injuries he had on scene so then
a. does that match what was observed the next day.


All the injuries prove at this point is that when he went in to see the doctor the next day, he had injuries. To say Martin caused them, that he attacked Zimmerman first and thus resulting in Zimmerman having no choice but to use deadly force in self defense can not be established only with the fact he had injuries the following day.

You do know he was examined by both police and paramedics at the time of the shooting, right?

Please reread my posts and you will see I stated its important to know if what the arriving peace officers and/or paramedics noted and observed about any injuries is consistent with what was observed the following day.

I stated the report about what if any injuries the paramedics and/or arriving peace officers noted was not released so all we know at this point is what was released and that was information observed the next day. Because it was observed the next day, I am stating what impact this has or could have and what this does or does not prove and what arguments can be raised as a result.

So again;

1. His injuries do not prove he started the altercation
2. His injuries do not prove Martin started the altercation

This report only concludes that when Zimmerman went to the doctor the next day, he had injuries. How and why he got them is not 100% conclusive at this point only going by what was observed the following day.

It can't be proven only with this report he had no choice to use deadly force. It does not mean there were or were not injuries at the scene. Again, I am only stating what this one piece of evidence means and what it proves and does not prove.

You think he beat himself when he has witnesses that saw him with those injuries at the scene? lol

I think you need to read my posts and hear and understand what I am saying.

We are discussing one piece of evidence. The evidence in question is one medical report of observed injuries that were noted and observed the following day. All I am saying is based on this one piece of evidence, it does not prove:

1. how he got those injuries
2. who caused the injuries
3. if he was the aggressor
4. if Martin was the aggressor
5. when he got those injuries

All this one piece of evidence proves is that when he went to see this physician the following day, he had the injuries that were noted on the report.

If you wish to present to me with scientific and medical fact that this one piece of evidence shows all the above, I am all ears.


So please tell me how this one piece of evidence alone proves this:

1. Martin was the aggressor
2. Zimmerman had to use deadly force in an act of self defense
3. Martin did in fact cause those injuries
4. The injuries were caused that night

We have no proof based on this one piece of evidence who the aggressor was, that Zimmerman had no choice but to use deadly force and we do not know with 100% that these injuries were caused that night only going by the one piece of evidence in question that this thread is about.

All I am doing is advising what this one piece of evidence means and what arguments can be raised about it, what it proves and does not prove.

Maybe he got those injuries falling down some stairs? Running into a wall? Getting into a fight with a dog......or it was caused by Martin....

But, I wonder how martin got busted knuckles. Maybe after he was shot Zimmerman did it. lol

How condescending of you!!! This info proves that zimmerman had some injuries, THE NEXT DAY!!!! Your post is PATHETIC!!

And I second that!! He was never drug or alcohol tested after killing and shooting an unarmed child...and yesterday reports say he was on a mood altering drug I can't remember the name of it, i'll get after lunch.

Or better still...he could have STAYED his a** in his car like he was instructed to do by the 911 dispatcher!

I took out the part where you had words with White Swan because that is not why I am quoting you so I hope that is okay.

I quoted you because you get it.

You are right, all this one piece of evidence, we'll call it exhibit A, means is that when Zimmerman went to the doctor the next day, he had injuries.

As I stated in many long posts this does not prove any of the following:

1. When and why and by who those injuries were sustained

2. That these injuries mean that Martin attacked him first and he had no choice but to use deadly force in an act of self defense

3. It does not prove who started what

The issues I raised of the injuries happening after were raised by me not because I am saying that is what happened. I never said he did it to himself or had someone else do it, I am only saying when you go to doctor the say AFTER, after you refused medical care on the scene, issues can be raised by that.

Maybe there is a police report and right after the incident the same injuries were observed and noted on said report but that has not been released so until it is, we can only go by this evidence in question.

Maybe there is evidence Zimmerman had to use deadly force but this one piece of evidence does not prove that. It proves only when Zimmerman went to Dr he had injuries.

For all we know, Martin was in fear of his life and he had to stand his ground against an armed man and Zimmerman started it and got the worst of it and whipped out a gun and shot someone dead. This is not self defense and these injuries on this report do not prove self defense.

How anyone can determine an injury reported the next day is proof beyond any reasonable doubt he was attacked, not the aggressor and had to use deadly force as a result of said attack is beyond me because its not even possible.