When did Christianity invent hell and god’s imaginary condemnation of man?

chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#31

May 24, 2019 @ 13:48:17

@Leon Said

the added interpretative embellishment.

Inserted for the purpose of controlling people.

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gakINGKONG

, Florida

#32

May 25, 2019 @ 00:58:01

@Cpat92 Said

According to the Bible, it has always existed. One of the main topics in many of Jesus' lectures.

Revelation 20. From there we know at least three creatures will suffer in eternal torment in a place called the lake of fire.

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chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#33

May 25, 2019 @ 03:35:19

@gakINGKONG Said

Revelation 20. From there we know at least three creatures will suffer in eternal torment in a place called the lake of fire.

Of course if we've read and studied out bible and its history/compilation, we know that the book of revelations isn't taken from the teachings of Jesus, nor from Peter or the other Apostles, nor from Paul and his friends, nor from the world of god per the OT.

We know, instead that it was written roughly 60 years after the crucifixion by someone calling himself "John"... though likely not the Apostle John... and that its validity as the "word of god" is very much in question.

....if we have bothered to read and study our bible and its history/compilation.

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gakINGKONG

, Florida

#34

May 26, 2019 @ 02:07:52

@Cpat92 Said

Side note: I’m still being attacked by Conservative Christians over a recent statement.

Online? Here?

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Cpat92

It's all or nothing

Lauderhill, Florida

#35

May 26, 2019 @ 04:55:07

@gakINGKONG Said

Online? Here?

No. Mainly on Facebook. I told them something that they didn’t like.

Christians, Jews and Muslims serve the same God. They got so upset. It’s not like I said the religions were the same.

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gakINGKONG

, Florida

#36

May 26, 2019 @ 06:07:48

@Cpat92 Said

No. Mainly on Facebook. I told them something that they didn’t like.

Christians, Jews and Muslims serve the same God. They got so upset. It’s not like I said the religions were the same.

Understand.

All from Abraham. That's actual history.

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Erimitus

The mind of God, Antarctica

#37

May 26, 2019 @ 11:22:06

@Cpat92 Said

No. Mainly on Facebook. I told them something that they didn’t like.

Christians, Jews and Muslims serve the same God. They got so upset. It’s not like I said the religions were the same.

I suppose religions have common characteristics. Some are very ritualistic, many are ritualistically non-realistic.

1. they all need money
2. preacher in front of a congregation
3. prayer

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Electric_Banana

, New Zealand

#38

May 27, 2019 @ 14:30:03

@GreatestIam2 Said

When did Christianity invent hell and god’s imaginary condemnation of man?

I have read where god cursed the ground, Gen 3;17, cursed is the ground for thy sake. Nowhere do I see where god condemned or cursed mankind directly.

When and why did Christianity invent the notions and lies surrounding hell and man’s condemnation?

Was it to loosen our purse strings or just to use fear as a tool of social manipulation and control?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x296qzz

Why do the gullible still believe this obvious lie?

Regards
DL

A couple of rabbit holes which may be relevant:

1. A larger constituency of humans suffering from a glitch in the system that results in telepathy have mistaken themselves collectively as 'god' because of the uncanny ability
That constituency then proceeds to blacklist anyone not associated with their church by making things hard for them in ways of commerce and employment thus giving the appearance that the individual is being routed by a disembodied wisdom when it's really a large number of arrogant humans d***ing the individual about.

2. Knowledge is necessary but enough of it in the wrong hands could give man the blueprints to not only prevent the human soul from moving on but maybe keeping it contained in an unpleasant artificial reality.

3. The basic concept of our current environment is 'Don't Starve'
We have been left here to our own device with only a butthole, set of teeth and others whom we prefer to consider company....this is not a good recipe for love and friendship

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gakINGKONG

, Florida

#39

May 28, 2019 @ 02:06:58

Even before Christ arrived, a prophet was sent to warn of pending judgment.

The source material for the fall of man and condemnation originates in the book of Genesis.

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white_swan53

n/a, New Mexico

#40

May 30, 2019 @ 12:20:44

@chaski Said

But the question was "When and why..?"

So, short answer:

The when was: The early days of the formation of the Church; 325 BC and the years following.

The why was: Power (not "cash" ).

Longer answer:

> When christianity was formed, "it" wasn't about cash. "Cash" didn't exist in quite the same way back then as it does today. Back then it was about power and control of people.

The Emperor Constantine essentially created Christianity as we know it today. Prior to him there were numerous competing sects. He gathered the leaders, the so called biships of the day and told them to all get on one page... compile one codex/cannon of beliefs. This became the bible and the early cannon of the church...

Constantine wanted "it" organized so "it" could be controlled.

Constantine already had the power and wealth, but wanted to control this new religion so that it did not become a source of rebellion and uprising in his empire.

Much later the church... back then the Holy Roman Catholic Church... then determined to consolidate its own power. This happened because the Roman Empire, over time, was replaced by other conquerors and later kingdoms and later countries.

Back in those days, land and gold (and silver) were the primary things of wealth. (Yes there were other things as well). The church then began to convince people to buy there salvation.

There are many more details to this

but that is the core of it.

So, {now} "it" is often about "cash", which can buy power. Back in the day... in the "begining" days of the Christian Church, it was about power and control of the people.

It is and was very simple back in the day: Power and control.

I read somewhere that a 'tool' for controlling the masses was that only a very few 'men of the church' could read and they could pretty much say whatever they wanted to control their flock .
It was very recent ( early in the 20th century )that the Catholic church stopped having all their sermons given in latin. I know this because my grandpa was a catholic and when they stopped using latin he stopped going to church . He said it wasn't right that the priests were brought down to the same level as the
congregation .

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#41

May 30, 2019 @ 15:15:57

@white_swan53 Said

I read somewhere that a 'tool' for controlling the masses was that only a very few 'men of the church' could read and they could pretty much say whatever they wanted to control their flock .
It was very recent ( early in the 20th century )that the Catholic church stopped having all their sermons given in latin. I know this because my grandpa was a catholic and when they stopped using latin he stopped going to church . He said it wasn't right that the priests were brought down to the same level as the
congregation .

Yes - Education/Information is often dangerous to those that want to control.

And this could be said for many topics outside of religion too

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chaski

Stalker

Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,

#42

May 30, 2019 @ 15:29:43

@mrmhead Said

Yes - Education/Information is often dangerous to those that want to control.

And this could be said for many topics outside of religion too

True. Education/Information is often dangerous... information is power...

On the other hand a little knowledge is an even more dangerous thing. We see this in social media frequently. A small piece of knowledge, or fact, is twisted to dupe people into believing BS. Pretty standard propaganda technique.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring :
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again."
(Alexander Pope)

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Erimitus

The mind of God, Antarctica

#43

May 30, 2019 @ 17:24:21

I read, probably on TS, that a lot of low-level priests could not speak Latin and would sound out the words but did not know what the words meant.

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Erimitus

The mind of God, Antarctica

#44

May 30, 2019 @ 17:25:57

Education/Information is often dangerous to those that want to control.

That is why it was illegal to educate slaves.

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mrmhead

NE, Ohio

#45

May 30, 2019 @ 18:14:24

@Erimitus Said

Education/Information is often dangerous to those that want to control.

That is why it was illegal to educate slaves.

I just saw on some show that there was a "Slaves Bible" - in which references to freedom and equality were removed. Just the stuff about "Obey" was left in.

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When did Christianity invent hell and god’s imaginary condemnation of man?