Suicide

I will try not to write a novel while sharing this .

I 12 when my dad married yet another woman . This one would make the forth marriage for dad and the third step mother for my brothers and me.
She had three boys all younger then me .
In the over all big picture , this woman meant zip to me personally, my one and only solo , part of this story is that it was me who came home from school and found her and her note and the empty prescription pill bottles . I sat there alone for the hour it took my brothers to get home from school , my world had dimmed to a dull tunnel of gray nothing .

now skip ahead to her boys coming and my siblings and me having no clue what, if anything we should or shouldn't do about the dead person laying there on the sofa and her three young sons who went about their normal after school stuff thinking she was just napping. We whispered , we waited , finally my oldest brother (age almost 15) went to a neighbors and ask the lady what should be done.

Now skip ahead some more to when her three sons understands that mom hasn't been sleeping and the three of us 'let' them go around shushing each other so not to wake mom ,,,, angry pain filled looks was ours to own ,
Dad finally gets home , there was always a poker game and a few cold ones after work , the neighbor lady had called an ambulance and the cops who had been there and gone taking the carcass with them when they left. leaving 6 kids ages 7 to 14 to inform a MIA husband . None of us 6 thought to call her boys dad or her sister or mom .
My dad had .had more then his couple of beers that day .
Of course the cops had also taken the note and pill bottles .

Those three boys were the saddest humans I ever want to lay eyes on . The sadness pouring rom their young eyes was painful to see . Just under 18 months later the middle boy was found hanging by the neck from a rafter in the garage at their dads place .
Now, you guys can say all sorts of words that explain in all sorts of ways how it's selfish to consider it selfish for an unhappy person to end their own life. I promise you without a doubt that those words will be as empty and useless to the loved ones left behind ,as those poor young eyes filled with pain and sadness were .

It is not 'your life' to do with as you will .
If you are terminally ill and will pass away sooner then later refusing life support is the right decision , it allows you control over your pain and it allows your loved ones the needed chance to say their good byes and let you go .

If you are unhappy and or depressed and you have loved ones , children , a spouse , siblings , parents ,,,,
Taking your own life will have repercussions that will last for years in some cases decades , after your carcass is in the ground .
If a person can not look to them selves to find any reason not to end it all, they need to look to their loved ones and the effect it will have in their lives .
Sorry, but this is somewhat of a toucy subject IMHO ,

That's a good question .
I am pretty certain that it was not started by some one who had experienced actual physical pain in the muscle called our heart.
You have survived a serious health issue concerning your heart , you have also dealt with the serious life threating issues concerning your child caused by actions of others .
In your opinion is there any similarity in the two " heart aches ' ? ?

the heart attack made my left arm and middle back hurt.
where my heart is did hurt also.
the accident created a shock.
I think a shock feeling is our brain on overload or a refusing to let data enter.
I do not remember my heart hurting.
but then if shock can cause a heart attack.
it might be behind the saying?

Does heartache refer to emotional pain?

(Premise) Emotional pain has both physical and psychological aspects

(Premise) sensory pain has both physical and psychological aspects

Q. If both sensation and emotion have both physical and psychological aspects; how do they differ?

(Premise) emotion is primarily psychological but with both physical and psychological causes and effects.

(Premise) sensation is primarily physiological but with both physical and psychological causes and effects.

What do you think?

And dying on stage with your comedy has to be a living hell!

if I truly believe it, my body can show it?
they say the heart feels.

OUCH!!!

LOL
a quiet room of folks wondering who put this on stage.

Does heartache refer to emotional pain?

yes. it is emotional pain first.

when the shock of the heartache happen, your brain react first. you are think " omg! " the body react to the blow of the shock of the news.

the your emotions kick in your reactions will explode uncontrollable.

if you are standing, you want to collapse with shock draining your body at the same time.

you are probably both cried and and angry going into " denial ".

this is a normal emotional respond.

yes- a heartache is equal to emotional and physical pain.

sensory pain has both physical and psychological aspects

yes - your senses can react to your pain quicker than emotions. because your senses can start pick up people's body language, it sense there something is wrong coming.

in sense, your body's senses are get ready for the shock of the heartache. if you are too slow to put the pieces of the heartache fast enough. the bigger blow of heartache that will cripple your body.

sensation is primarily physiological but with both physical and psychological causes and effects.

sensation is how you react to the shock. if you don't feel anything, but the blow of the shock does you hard.

depend how your body and emotions process the pain of the heartache.

for examples first reactions of the heartache:

you simply break down and cried.

you just react strongly with angry.

you shut down and you are emotionless and frozen with the shock. you simply can't move a muscle.

you can go about your business, if nothing has happen. let the shock get up with you in time.

this process is denial or at least, how the mind is going deal with the pain. also, the mind is trying help the heart to heal at the same time.

You know , now that I think about it ,there are all sorts of 'sayings'


Like
for home sickness

home is where he heart is


for failure

His heart wasn't in it

for mutual teasing

light hearted banter

Erimitus ask , Q. If both sensation and emotion have both physical and psychological aspects; how do they differ?


The psychological aspects of Emotional pain can cause a person's powers of reason , their abilities to think logically or to make plans just shut down almost like hitting an off switch . mind numbing

The physical part of Emotional pain tends to be more in line with quick sharp twitching of muscles .



The physical part of sensory pain tends to be a breath taking , heart skipping pain that lingers or doesn't ease up .

The psychological aspects of sensory pain can cause a person to focus on the pain which sometimes will cause them to worry or become afraid or start imagining worse case scenario's . making thoughts race

we even need a heart to understand the heart sayings.
i'm guessing our hearts are involved enough to skip a beat.

isn't that an oxymoron ?
how can your dying and cause you to be living ?

I'm guessing that 'back in the day ' someone had way to much time and way to much imagination with very little or none medical knowledge of the human body . That's what I'm guessing all the 'heart sayings originated from .

Admittedly, I haven't read much of anything in this thread beyond my previous reply - way too f***ing much ....

But, I believe I assisted the suicide of my pet dog this afternoon by taking her to the vets. Not intentionally to put her down, but to see if there was anything more to be done with an arthritic, 14-yr old mutt with known liver problems that just started vomiting, refusing to eat or drink, and too weak to make it back into the house after wanting to go out.

Even the vet mentioned something to the effect "if she wanted to continue"

Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?