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chaski On about 17 hours ago
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#16New Post! Jan 03, 2014 @ 06:25:14
Migrant work... I bet it pays less than minimum wage.
Jihadista On July 04, 2014

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#17New Post! Jan 03, 2014 @ 16:36:17


Two years after Bill Murry, now 63, graduated from college; and before he started performing at Second City he sold chestnuts on the sidewalk in front of a Chicago grocery store.

New York Post

I'm tempted to guess that Murry earned mimimum wage, but my grandmother tells a story, which makes me wonder.

Granny grew up in New York City. She went to Catholic School on 14th Street, which crosses Broadway at Union Square.

For decades, Granny bought pretzels or, at Christmas, Chestnuts from a woman in front of a department store near Union Square.

A few years ago, the woman died, and she left a lot of money to a school.

If this is a true story, maybe selling chestnuts can earn way above minimun wage.

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Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#18New Post! Jan 03, 2014 @ 18:43:54
@Richard142 Said

Hello Jahadista,
Is it unreasonable:
1, for workers to expect to have safety at work with legal enforcement?
2, that net pay be sufficient to cover all the costs of a decent lifestyle?
Or am I totally missing the core of your opinions?


For your first point, no it is not unreasonable. For the second, I think it depends on the work being done and what you would consider to be a "decent lifestyle."

Here in the States, and I'm not sure if it's the same where you are, there are people whose "job" is to stand in front of businesses holding signs that alert potential customers of sales going on or special deals that are current inside the business. They are basically doing "work" that a sign post could do. I understand that the reasoning is that a person holding a sign and moving it around would be more visible and noticeable to passers by. Should those who have this job expect to make enough to live comfortably off of? I don't know...I suppose it depends on what your definition of comfortable is.

The minimum wage where I live comes out to roughly 1200 dollars a month, considering a full time schedule of 40 hours a week, and that's before taxes. That's enough to eat and possibly rent a bare bones apartment with, but really doesn't leave much to cover things like transportation expenses, medical expenses, utilities, etc. and there is really NO room for entertainment. I'd consider all of those things to be necessary to a "decent" lifestyle, but I don't think that someone holding a sign for a living should expect to make much more than the current minimum wage, honestly.
Cas On March 31, 2021




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#19New Post! Jan 03, 2014 @ 19:34:59
Jihadista On July 04, 2014

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#20New Post! Jan 03, 2014 @ 20:28:21
@Cas Said



Well that was worth a chuckle or two.

The sound bite about fast-food-workers strike, is not accurate. Reporters in Los Angeles and New York interviewed picketers without finding any fast food workers, who were actually on strike. When the reporters interviewed actual fast food workers, the workers were unaware that they were supposed to be on strike.

The video makes one valid point. The law must be careful not to raise the minimum too high. The famous example is American Samoa, where the minimum wage destroyed an entire industry when tuna canners moved the canning operation to Georgia.

The popeĀ“s concern for the poor, at least as it is presented in the video, sounds somewhat hollow. He must know about the world-wide efforts to end poverty. I wonder if he acknowledged the efforts, and the video didn't deal with them because talking about teachers in Columbia or slums in Kenya won't generate a laugh.
Pcptrvanion On November 10, 2014




Howe, Texas
#21New Post! Jan 04, 2014 @ 17:39:47
Minimum wage was created so that children and morons would not be used as slave labor.

If a 40 year old with three kids and a mortgage applies for a child's job...how does he expect the child's wages to cover his mortgage and expenses?

Does he have a right to expect a comfortable life-style even though he has done nothing to prepare for it and has made all the worst possible decisions in life?
chaski On about 17 hours ago
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#22New Post! Jan 04, 2014 @ 17:59:29
@Pcptrvanion Said

Minimum wage was created so that children and morons would not be used as slave labor.

If a 40 year old with three kids and a mortgage applies for a child's job...how does he expect the child's wages to cover his mortgage and expenses?

Does he have a right to expect a comfortable life-style even though he has done nothing to prepare for it and has made all the worst possible decisions in life?



You seem to have made a bit of a leap there, so I will just ask:

Are you saying that minimum wage only apples to 40 year old losers with three kids?
psycoskunk On December 24, 2020
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#23New Post! Jan 04, 2014 @ 20:34:03
The minimum wage in B.C. is $10.25/hr, $9/hr if your job involves serving alcohol, not including tips and gratuities. It went up 2 years ago.

I can't even imagine how difficult it must be for people currently working for $7.25/hr, especially when they're expected to pay their bills, buy food, pay off mortgages, etc...
Pcptrvanion On November 10, 2014




Howe, Texas
#24New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 00:16:25
@chaski Said

You seem to have made a bit of a leap there, so I will just ask:

Are you saying that minimum wage only apples to 40 year old losers with three kids?



Really? That's how you read that?

Minimum wage is for children and other non-skilled workers.
If you apply for a child's job you cannot be surprised by the child's low wages.

If non-skilled work is the only thing available to you as a consequence of poor decisions...then teach your children to avoid your mistakes.
chaski On about 17 hours ago
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#25New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 01:14:05
@Pcptrvanion Said

Really? That's how you read that?


Yes. Actually that is how I read your comment.

@Pcptrvanion Said


Minimum wage is for children and other non-skilled workers.
If you apply for a child's job you cannot be surprised by the child's low wages.


Hmmm... child labor..?

Really?
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#26New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 03:13:28
@Pcptrvanion Said

Really? That's how you read that?

Minimum wage is for children and other non-skilled workers.
If you apply for a child's job you cannot be surprised by the child's low wages.

If non-skilled work is the only thing available to you as a consequence of poor decisions...then teach your children to avoid your mistakes.



And I bet if I searched hard enough I could find someplace where you said something along the lines of the unemployed should find a job, any job anywhere. Even McDonalds is better than living off of unemployment. Sometimes very skilled people work fast food and other "kid" jobs, not because of poor decisions, but because poor economies have forced downsizing of companies and flooded markets with a particular skill that is not quickly or easily replaced.

I'm not all "minimum wage should be $15/hr or anything, but hard work is hard work and it should be valued by the people who are profiting off of it. McDonalds couldn't make a profit without the hard work of such "unskilled" workers, who by the way are not quite as unskilled as you think. Trust me, put someone truly unskilled in a fast food restaurant and things go down hill badly. There is a minimum of skill involved in even that job. from "No Shame in My Game"
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#27New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 03:38:38
@Electric_Banana Said

Going on this thinking - Hypothetically what if EVERYONE had the same motivation, desire and funds to become a doctor?

All of us doctors would starve - right?

We wouldn't have time to build houses for ourselves.

And who would wipe grandma's ass?

There are so many good paying careers to fill before they are all filled and you have an excess handful of people to distribute inane jobs too so that they can lead (at least) a moderately comfortable (Higher Poor Class / Lower Middle Class) life.

Taking this into consideration there should be a more moderated distribution of resources so even if you came last in the race and had to wash out Port-O-Let's for the rest of your life you wouldn't have to worry about going home to find your wife and kid leaving with a richer man because your s***ter cleaning service couldn't fund the plumbing necessary in your home to keep feces from coming out of the kitchen sink.

I mean....if ....if ....if you can't even find comfort at home..What more are you getting out of your daily life than eight hours of s***?



That would be a valid argument if becoming a doctor was an easy job that everyone could do. But it's not.

The answer is simple though, the person who chooses to become a doctor in that situation has the choice to become a doctor and be paid less or become something else and be paid more. He can't make his choice and then blame that choice on other people though. I'm not saying that money should be the only consideration in choosing a profession...yes for most people it is one part of the process of choosing. But if you go into a profession knowing full well that the demand for that profession isn't one commensurate with a high salary, it's not really reasonable to then complain that you aren't making a high salary.
Electric_Banana On September 24, 2021




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#28New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 03:44:56
@Eaglebauer Said

That would be a valid argument if becoming a doctor was an easy job that everyone could do. But it's not.

The answer is simple though, the person who chooses to become a doctor in that situation has the choice to become a doctor and be paid less or become something else and be paid more. He can't make his choice and then blame that choice on other people though.


There are no problems - ONLY challenges.

If you have people dying around you and having to resort to crimes to survive the Capitalist template has either not been tweaked to all it can be yet or is obsolete.

Failure to hear the insights of others or disregard them as "idealism" suggests to me that we exist in an Dystopia governed by ego and ignorance thus not a safe place to ever raise a child or take seriously.

Bottom Line - If I'm made to hurt and suffer in a world where I have never exacted the same on others - Then it's not the place for me.

And because I choose not to settle for less than I know there can be I also don't bend over backwards or make efforts outside of my comfort zone for less.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#29New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 03:48:32
@Electric_Banana Said

There are no problems - ONLY challenges.

If you have people dying around you and having to resort to crimes to survive the Capitalist template has either not been tweaked to all it can be yet or is obsolete.

Failure to hear the insights of others or disregard them as "idealism" suggests to me that we exist in an Dystopia governed by ego and ignorance thus not a safe place to ever raise a child or take seriously.

Bottom Line - If I'm made to hurt and suffer in a world where I have never exacted the same on others - Then it's not the place for me.

And because I choose not to settle for less than I know there can be I also don't bend over backwards or make efforts outside of my comfort zone for less.



That's all very interesting and has nothing to do with what I said.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#30New Post! Jan 05, 2014 @ 04:20:34
@Electric_Banana Said

It's what you're suggesting:

"Tough s*** to those who came into life without many (if any) perks."

Dude, I wasn't born too "Pretty" genes.

I can't cry "racist" nor complain that I am victim of sexism.

I haven't reincarnated here tens time over so I had more wisdom than my parents did and was therefor able to successfully get myself on the right track despite.

I had no siblings to learn how to be openly social.

It wasn't until my thirties that I learned how to learn through resurfacing of memories or channeling an external intelligence.

If this is the case, and no one is clever enough to find ways to help compensate those who came into life crippled, then for the sake of mercy there should be a tribunal by age of twenty-one where the individual is informed that their decisions have f***ed up the rest of their life and then given an option for Euthanasia.

The only reason to keep people around who've permanently damaged themselves - through lack of direction, prior experience and resources they were born into - Are the desperate, needy and struggling often times will easily sacrifice self-honor.

Yeah, I know Tariki suggests that no matter how nasty it gets for us we should look at our pain and suffering as sacrificial nurturing for others in the 'collective' who will ultimately benefit but I'm one of the very few left in this world who finds that possibility horribly disgusting and not sure why such an existence would be maintained for as long as it is said that it has - other than a dire fear of eternal death.


You take things in directions that people don't intend, and I think it's because you presume that a lot of people think the way you think they think.

There are people a lot less smart than you who are physically unattractive and still manage to make a decent living. If someone is genuinely unable to work, that's one thing. If I am willing to admit that some of us simply don't have the skills though, I can also right out refuse to believe that every twentysomething I see holding a sign touting five dollar large pizzas is either too ugly or too stupid to do something more complicated. I'm not saying they have to, I'm saying that if you have the ability to better your situation and don't, you really don't have a lot of room to complain.
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