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NikiNiki On January 04, 2011

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Villa Park, California
#1New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 00:31:18
This information was published in a local news paper here in California, but it?s available at Town Hall. townhall.

This article caught my eye because the economics teachers at my high school oppose minimum wage. They argue that minimum wage laws cause unemployment.

Walter Williams, an economist, offers the following example.

Chicken of the Sea International moved its cannery from Samoa to Lyon, Georgia. That resulted in 2,000 lost jobs in Samoa. The company had been paying a wage of $3.26 per hours, but the minimum-wage law recently mandated that the wage be increased over time to $7.25. Chicken of the Sea decided that cannery operations in in Georgia would be more efficient than in Samoa, resulting in 2,000 lost jobs in Samoa. If Starkist leaves Samoa, that will result in 8,000 more lost cannery jobs.
Darroll On April 26, 2012




salem, Oregon
#2New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 00:46:14
Raise the mininum wage and watch the jobs leave.
If you want more pay, get an education and a work ethic.
_abnormalmind_ On January 04, 2013




Central Florida, Florida
#3New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 00:46:53
@NikiNiki Said

This information was published in a local news paper here in California, but it?s available at Town Hall. townhall.

This article caught my eye because the economics teachers at my high school oppose minimum wage. They argue that minimum wage laws cause unemployment.

Walter Williams, an economist, offers the following example.

Chicken of the Sea International moved its cannery from Samoa to Lyon, Georgia. That resulted in 2,000 lost jobs in Samoa. The company had been paying a wage of $3.26 per hours, but the minimum-wage law recently mandated that the wage be increased over time to $7.25. Chicken of the Sea decided that cannery operations in in Georgia would be more efficient than in Samoa, resulting in 2,000 lost jobs in Samoa. If Starkist leaves Samoa, that will result in 8,000 more lost cannery jobs.


Minimum wage laws are bad economics. However, the lack of illegal immigration enforcement is bad policy (and unlawful). Putting them both together makes things worse.

Low wage citizens and legal immigrants have to compete against illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants, of course, being paid less than minimum wage.

The cycle of activity continues to feed upon itself.

In any event, the minimum wage law entices illegal immigration. Since employers typically want to pay bare market value for their employees. Not all employers, but some of them, typically those found in the low-skill/trade sectors want to keep their employee payroll costs as low as possible.

And as a general rule, illegals don't get benefits, generally do not pay taxes, and become a drain on our infrastructure such as police, hospitals, education, and whatnot.
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#4New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 00:51:46
@_abnormalmind_ Said

Minimum wage laws are bad economics. However, the lack of illegal immigration enforcement is bad policy (and unlawful). Putting them both together makes things worse.

Low wage citizens and legal immigrants have to compete against illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants, of course, being paid less than minimum wage.

The cycle of activity continues to feed upon itself.

In any event, the minimum wage law entices illegal immigration. Since employers typically want to pay bare market value for their employees. Not all employers, but some of them, typically those found in the low-skill/trade sectors.



This is a weird example actually, because it's the opposite of outsourcing (I think). Chicken of the Sea is taking 2,000 jobs away from Samoa and creating only 200 jobs in the US. Our minimum wage is higher than theirs but they'd only be paying 10% the amount of people so it costs less. It has nothing to do with illegal immigrants and I'm not sure what it does to our economy, although it obviously messes up Samoa's.
_abnormalmind_ On January 04, 2013




Central Florida, Florida
#5New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 00:55:20
@someone_else Said

This is a weird example actually, because it's the opposite of outsourcing (I think). Chicken of the Sea is taking 2,000 jobs away from Samoa and creating only 200 jobs in the US. Our minimum wage is higher than theirs but they'd only be paying 10% the amount of people so it costs less. It has nothing to do with illegal immigrants and I'm not sure what it does to our economy, although it obviously messes up Samoa's.


Yes, it appears I'm over in left field whereas the ball is heading towards right field. Thanks
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#6New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 00:56:36
@_abnormalmind_ Said

Yes, it appears I'm over in left field whereas the ball is heading towards right field. Thanks



Now, I do agree with everything you said in your post.
NikiNiki On January 04, 2011

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Villa Park, California
#7New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 01:03:11
@someone_else Said

This is a weird example actually, because it's the opposite of outsourcing (I think). Chicken of the Sea is taking 2,000 jobs away from Samoa and creating only 200 jobs in the US. Our minimum wage is higher than theirs but they'd only be paying 10% the amount of people so it costs less. It has nothing to do with illegal immigrants and I'm not sure what it does to our economy, although it obviously messes up Samoa's.



My uncle has a friend who went to work in a Barby Doll factory here in California in the early 1960's. Over the last fifty years the factory has moved to Japan, Philippine Republic, and Indonesia. My uncle's friend, who is now married to a Malaysian woman, says that the factory moved each time in the search for lower wage labor; but he thinks that minimum wage laws were not involved in the process. He thinks that the factory moved because it could not find employees who would work at the lower wages.

I wonder if that might be part of the reason for the canaries move from Samoa to Georgia.
NikiNiki On January 04, 2011

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Villa Park, California
#8New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 01:24:29
@_abnormalmind_ Said

Minimum wage laws are bad economics. However, the lack of illegal immigration enforcement is bad policy (and unlawful). Putting them both together makes things worse.

Low wage citizens and legal immigrants have to compete against illegal immigrants. The illegal immigrants, of course, being paid less than minimum wage.

The cycle of activity continues to feed upon itself.

In any event, the minimum wage law entices illegal immigration. Since employers typically want to pay bare market value for their employees. Not all employers, but some of them, typically those found in the low-skill/trade sectors want to keep their employee payroll costs as low as possible.

And as a general rule, illegals don't get benefits, generally do not pay taxes, and become a drain on our infrastructure such as police, hospitals, education, and whatnot.



I have a girl friend who lives in Anaheim, California, which most people might recognize as the home of the original Disneyland. Among other things like factories that make electronics, medical equipment, and airplane parts, the city has building material wholesalers.

Sometimes when my mother is out of town, I stay at my friend's house overnight. In the morning (la gran madrugada), I ride the city bus to school. It's about a five mile ride.

As I stand at the corner of Ball Road and Sunkist Ave, hundreds of construction workers pass by the bus stop. They ride in trucks of all sizes loaded with building materials, lumber, dry wall, masonry, hardware, pipes, etc.

I know this will sound racist, but almost without exception, the workers have a sort of Native American (el rostro indio) visage. Now, maybe they are all illegal immigrants, but I wonder how so many hundreds of illegal workers could be concentrated in one place and not have some kind of law enforcement do something about it on at least two possible violations, immigration law or labor law.

Frankly, it seems very implausible that they could be illegal or paid below minimum wage.
NikiNiki On January 04, 2011

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Villa Park, California
#9New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 12:32:52
https://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/americansamoa.asp

Here is an article with a different spin on the Samoan minimum wage. It suggests that Del Monte Foods has influenced Nancy Pelosi to exempt American Samoa from the minimum wage law. Del Monte owns Star-Kist Tuna, which has a canary in Samoa. Therefore, according to the article, Nancy Pelosi must be corrupt because she?s trying to keep wages low for Del Monte and Star-Kist Tuna.
sAeGeSpAeNe On September 20, 2021
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The other Bristol..., Connecti
#10New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 13:26:42
@NikiNiki Said

This information was published in a local news paper here in California, but it?s available at Town Hall. townhall.

This article caught my eye because the economics teachers at my high school oppose minimum wage. They argue that minimum wage laws cause unemployment.

Walter Williams, an economist, offers the following example.

Chicken of the Sea International moved its cannery from Samoa to Lyon, Georgia. That resulted in 2,000 lost jobs in Samoa. The company had been paying a wage of $3.26 per hours, but the minimum-wage law recently mandated that the wage be increased over time to $7.25. Chicken of the Sea decided that cannery operations in in Georgia would be more efficient than in Samoa, resulting in 2,000 lost jobs in Samoa. If Starkist leaves Samoa, that will result in 8,000 more lost cannery jobs.



That doesn't demonstrate how a minimum wage law causes unemployment. That is an example of how a business decision (...Question the motivation behind it!....) destroys a community by causing unemployment. The fact that the minimum wage in Georgia is higher than what they were used to paying for labor in Samoa, only speaks to some other 'force' that has pressured the CEO's of Chicken of the Sea to make what would -- at first glance -- seem to be a rather un-business-like decision.
NikiNiki On January 04, 2011

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Villa Park, California
#11New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 13:37:04
@SaEgEsPaEnE Said

That doesn't demonstrate how a minimum wage law causes unemployment. That is an example of how a business decision (...Question the motivation behind it!....) destroys a community by causing unemployment. The fact that the minimum wage in Georgia is higher than what they were used to paying for labor in Samoa, only speaks to some other 'force' that has pressured the CEO's of Chicken of the Sea to make what would -- at first glance -- seem to be a rather un-business-like decision.



As another poster has said, the number of workers in Georgia will be less than the number of workers in Samoa, so the overhead will be less even with the higher wages. And I think maybe the situation in Samoa might be more complicated than the minimum wage laws, but Walter Williams spends his whole life comparing these numbers, so probably the minimum wage is a major factor.
sAeGeSpAeNe On September 20, 2021
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#12New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 14:19:47
@NikiNiki Said

As another poster has said, the number of workers in Georgia will be less than the number of workers in Samoa, so the overhead will be less even with the higher wages. And I think maybe the situation in Samoa might be more complicated than the minimum wage laws, but Walter Williams spends his whole life comparing these numbers, so probably the minimum wage is a major factor.



You've missed the point. By moving the operation back to Georgia, they are able to benefit from an increase in productivity, and so their 'product output' costs less, despite the higher wages that the minimum wage law in Georgia requires....
someone_else On August 30, 2012
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American Alps, Washington
#13New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 14:23:50
@NikiNiki Said

As another poster has said, the number of workers in Georgia will be less than the number of workers in Samoa, so the overhead will be less even with the higher wages. And I think maybe the situation in Samoa might be more complicated than the minimum wage laws, but Walter Williams spends his whole life comparing these numbers, so probably the minimum wage is a major factor.



I think I'm the other poster you're talking about here - so I did a little math.

2000 jobs at $3.26/hr = $6,520/hr
200 jobs at $7.25/hr = $1,450/hr
Assuming they work 40 hours a week and there are an average of 4.2 weeks in a month, that's 1,095,360 in Somoa vs. $243,600 in Georgia. Difference being $851,760.
That's a pretty big factor.
WASH On June 04, 2012




LINCOLN, California
#14New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 16:07:49
The minimum wage was originally intended to aassure hat our YOUNG starter working for burger king and in n out would be able to take a movie on the week ends. It was NOT intendet]d to be a living wage. Every time the wage went up the number of workers went down. emokoyers could not afford them.
plebian_angel On April 25, 2012
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a great future,
#15New Post! Apr 15, 2010 @ 16:12:23
@WASH Said

The minimum wage was originally intended to aassure hat our YOUNG starter working for burger king and in n out would be able to take a movie on the week ends. It was NOT intendet]d to be a living wage. Every time the wage went up the number of workers went down. emokoyers could not afford them.



Exactly. And don't most employers pay more than minimum wage? I know mcdonalds here starts at $8/hr.
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