@sophie Said 
Russia wasnt that big as sovjet union under napoleons wars, and they nevr defeated the napoleonnina armies, the russian winter did.. it was only the taken of one city who was inside high walls this siege, lasted a year and only ended with the winter so you got your history all wrong. (beside the fact that i dont see the rapport with the current issue dude) and Russia was making wars all he itme with other countries and thats why that war happened..
About the better than CNN, i have my sources who are real and not from TV and CNN.. thats why.. like real journaqlism and real research..
Under WW2, russia didnt helped defeating the german.. they first and foremost HELPED the nazi to build up their s***, and it is Staline who show his concentrations camps for dissedents to Hitler and how he was ealing wiht htem,a nd gave to hitler the idea to make those concentration camps to put jews in them and exterminate them all..
So oyu are wrong. They only reversed when they begin to be under the nazi fires themselves and get badly injured..
Then they hurry up into Europe, long after D day to dont be in late to the big cake party, and to make sure they will get a piece as well..But withotu them side by side to germany, Hitler could never have make that war for so long..
So oyu got oyur facts wrong, again.
and again what has this to do with the actual subject???
5. Hey baby, in 1970, we were under the cold war still, so oyu cant compare. In the 2003, Russia was part of NATO.. with the allies, so what they did was a compleete treason and breaking all deals and treaties they had signed.. dont mix things together..
Beside, Afghanistan was free in the 70' there was no taliban back then, so we had all reasons to help them out froma russian invasion.
We never armed the taleban, it wasnt them who were in power in the 70.. and dont you htink oyu are crazy a bit? the weapon they are using in 2008 are not those they got in the 70. be sure of that..
the same for Saddam Hussein, all his weapons are not from the american, he had the money to buy new ones since the Iran war,which he did. He didnt like the american cause they stop helping him, same with Ossaman ben laden, he was part of a help force for the american and his army was formed by special american commando oficers, special troops, but when benm Laden begin to shwo soem particularitie and some extremism, the US tod him to stop, and cut the water.. they told him that theyt will not accept the kind of ideology and activity he was begingin to support. He didnt wanted to stop, so the US, simply stop sending him money, rainign equipemnet and weapon. As a revenge he bombed a US military destroyer,a nd 3 years later an american ambassy and 2 years later bomber the world trade center and 5 years later send 2 airplane in that world trade center. As a revenge agaisnt the US governement who ahd let him down and refused to acknowledge his new "direction". So he created Al Queda, and turned into the religious s***, to manipulate and recrute people easily, adn he was succesfull because he knew so much about the US secret policies form hiw work with them for so many years, and knew their weak point in middles east, and knew who and wehe they were there.
Still it got nothign to do wiht the actual matter at hand .. but ok.
You are rlally knowing nothign about Putin and history and enot even modern history do you? from what country are oyu from??
Putin is a KGB officer, who et up the fall of Boris jeltsin to set himself up as president,a s a plan opf the KGB ot take over russia cause they didnt like the free press and free media and all that democratical s***.
Under Boris Jeltsin, thousdand of media radio and chanels and newspapers had came up, Putin destroyed them al and controled the rest. thsoe journalist and redactor where killed, jjailed or send to concentrations camps, who still exist in russia and are well full up those days..
Election in Russia?? all opposition parties are shut doen by kiling, poisoning arresting all memeber of any opposition parties to putin own party. there is no opposition to Putin in Russia so when you vote there is only one person to vote for..
he didnt get 65% of the vote but over 80% huh1 greweate dont oyu htink.. only people ggot no choice and were forced to go ot vote and controled. And.. there is even region where there was more vote than voters.. LOL
you cannot say publicly in russia that you do ot like putin because it is forbidden BY LAW! A NEWSPAPER MAKING A CARICATURE OF PUTIN WWAS RECENTLY CLOSED A FEW MONTHS AGO, HIS EDITOR WAS END TO CONCENTRATION CAMP TOPGETHER WITH THE JOURNALIST THAT MADE THE CARICATURE AND THE REDACTOR WAS JAILED AND THE BUILDING SEIZED.
need more?
and now at last, i got nothing against you but i am not oyur history teachers, so i will rather discuss thsoe facts with people who actualy have stude the mater and got their history onto place.
i personaly know russian people on the face to face basis so i know what REALLY going on there.. not form CNN. And i can tell oyu this: thats not funny for them. For the people. but they are used to shutt up, formt he communist time. They had only a very short taste of democratie under Boris jeltsin, but they didnt had time to get used to it before the party was over all together.
Old people are dying of cold in the street of moscow and its people from the communist time who worled their a** off all their life, and were given a flat at the end as reward for a life of service.. this was taken from them by Putin, who sold the flat and buildings to mafia guys who sold the flats to rich mafia people. cause suddendly there was money to make there.
But those people werent given anything in compensation.
And one last thing about Napoleon, the guy devotred his life to stop the wars in Europe who had gone on for centuries and were hindering the countries to ever can advance. he wanted to make a european union of all the countries and to stop the wars he invaded them, and each time he married one of his commander to the princess of the country so that there was bonds by blood between all countries, and this way none of them will make a war agiasnt the other. That was the plan. And it worked pretty good, but England didnt like the idea cause they had their ewyes on several countries in Europe that they wanted to invade and conquer, and if all those countries were friend, then they couldnt do it, so htey allied with soemof them to stop Napoleons plans.
It was taken up again after WW2, to create the European Union, to avoid that ever again there will be war between European countries, like the bloody WW1 and WW2. And this time it worked out fine.
but it took a long time.. from the 50'es when the french started it, to today where its florishing and expending.
You can say that if Napoleon had succeeded, we will never have had Hitler invading Europe, and that war will have never taken place...
but thats general history.
Please, if the subject interest you then stude it, but i am not your teacher and this is not the place.
Thanks.
Aug 16, 2008 @ 05:41:38
