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Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#151New Post! Dec 08, 2017 @ 20:30:28
@mrmhead Said

Just a spot of Interweb observation:

It was the largest container ship in the world at the time of launch in November 2014, with a maximum capacity of 19,100 TEU containers. The CSCL Globe measures 400.0m in length, 58.6m in width and 30.5m in depth.
(I just googled "common dimensions of largest cargo ships" )

Doesn't look like the golden ratio, and doesn't look like the "god given" ratio.



Thanks Obama



Chuckle
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#152New Post! Dec 08, 2017 @ 20:44:53
@Erimitus Said

I had one of those subs. Interestingly if you use it in a fish tank it kills the fish.


this power sub below, what i had in 60's. beside my bathtub. i had built-in swimming pool, that i used my submarine in the deep water.that pretty fun to watch. the pellets ( not pills) you put one white and other gray or brown. you put in their slot next two each others at the top of the submarine.

chaski On August 01, 2021
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#153New Post! Dec 08, 2017 @ 22:28:35
@mrmhead Said

Doesn't look like the golden ratio, and doesn't look like the "god given" ratio.


Correct.

The ratios of " 400.0m length, 58.6m width, 30.5m height" would be closer to something between 1.1465 (L/W), 1.5204 (H/W), 1.07625 (L/H). Of course anyone should feel free to correct my math.

So, the CSCL Globe was not build using either the "Golden Ratio" nor the "Noah's Ark" ratio.

Also, I image googled "CSCL Globe"... I don't know if the image was correct, but it doesn't look even remotely like Noah's Ark. At 1st glance there was a distant similarity. Then I realized that the deck was loaded with cargo containers, which would not be part of the ship's length/width/height measurements. When you remove the cargo...well the similarity with Noah's Ark is completely lost.
Justpassing On February 03, 2021




Avoca Vic Australia, Australia
#154New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 05:44:51
@Eaglebauer Said

What I'm getting at is that you're saying you're looking at marine and ship history and that science is giving us those answers...but according the the old testament everything prior to Noah was erased. There simply is no marine and ship history to look at until after the flood. And if you don't take it literally, how do you know what marine and ship history syncs up with the time of Noah? If the story is just something that happened somewhere in history and not when the Bible literally says it did, what historical records are you referring to and how do you know they are concurrent with an event you don't know the time of?


There wouldn't be if there was a world wide flood.
Except maybe in fossil form. maybe we still have to find them.

@Eaglebauer Said
I'm not "poo pooing" anything. I'm asking for clarification here, you say you're just noting that it's possible but you also say that Noah's ship set the standard for ship building and no ships were built with those dimensions before the ark. You stated that as a fact, not a possibility, and it's kind of not possible to know that as a fact whether you believe the literal word of the Bible or not.


Incorrect, did not say anything like "set the standard for ship building"
I said to the effect that someone had build a large ship based upon the measurements... designed for load carrying... the ratio is still used today.
Nothing to do with ALL ship building... only some.

@Eaglebauer Said

People like Ziusudra are known to have existed about 2900 years before Christ...who was the hero of the Sumerian flood legend and he loaded a ship with supplies and livestock and floated down the river when their sea god Enki told him to do so and instructed him on how to build it.


And the Australian aboriginal Dream Time also include stories of a great flood.

@Eaglebauer Said

Following the timeline of the Bible based on dates we know with certainty, Exodus would have occurred about 1447 BC and the Old Testament flood around 2300 BC (give or take). So there are similar flood legends across the globe, yes, but there are also huge discrepancies in the timing of them. Not to mention, this "poo poos" most of the secular archaeological record and would mean that all of existing human civilizations that are in that record would have to fit in the last 4000 years.


Well, just until just recently it was thought (claimed?) that the aussie aboriginies have only been around for 45,000 years.
Until recently, now through recent archeological finds, it is now been pushed back to 65,000 years.
I guess it might be updated again with the next find. lol

As I said before, I'm not a Creationist.

@Eaglebauer Said
Science and archaeology do indeed support a lot of what is said in the Bible in terms of historical events and people and places existing, but it's a mistake to then say that science supports the notion that the dimensions of the ark were handed down to Noah by a divine being and that no one knew how to build ships that way before then. Science, unequivocally, does not support that and you can't say what you're saying without owning the fact that you're trying to make it seem that it does.


Science does not support that God handed Moses anything.
Science is NEVER about WHO. But about HOW. Are we clear about that?
@Eaglebauer Said

Prior to 1698 no one knew how to build a steam engine but then someone did it. If we believe that just because no one knew how to do something before a person figured it out means that that person was given those ideas by God, we have to submit ourselves to believing that every innovation and invention ever to happen was due to divine intervention and that humans have never really invented anything at all. And no matter how you paint it, that is absolutely not science.


A steam engine or a steam pump?
The aeolipile is considered to be the first recorded steam engine.
The word is derived from Latin and greek - Aeolus - God of Air and wind.
No idea if God gave anyone instructions on how to build it.

@Eaglebauer Said

You probably at this point think I'm an atheist (maybe you don't). I wouldn't be so sure about that. I just see it as problematic when we try to use science as an application to support something that is A) not supportable by science and B) not really provable in any fashion other than by faith alone, thus not provable.

I promise you I'm not trying to be mean or a jerk about this...just discussing.


Never thought about what you are. it doesn't matter in a discussion.

I'm just creating discussion.
And science has never been about proving the existance or non-existance of a Higher Power.
And faith is faith. Simple as that.

Good stuff mate.
Justpassing On February 03, 2021




Avoca Vic Australia, Australia
#155New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 07:29:31
@mrmhead Said


(I just googled "common dimensions of largest cargo ships" )


Thanks Obama


I did too... and found this:
Saint Nicholas is a good man and the patron saint of sailors and is often called upon by mariners who are in danger of drowning or being shipwrecked.
Justpassing On February 03, 2021




Avoca Vic Australia, Australia
#156New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 07:43:26
@chaski Said

Correct.

The ratios of " 400.0m length, 58.6m width, 30.5m height" would be closer to something between 1.1465 (L/W), 1.5204 (H/W), 1.07625 (L/H). Of course anyone should feel free to correct my math.

So, the CSCL Globe was not build using either the "Golden Ratio" nor the "Noah's Ark" ratio.

Also, I image googled "CSCL Globe"... I don't know if the image was correct, but it doesn't look even remotely like Noah's Ark. At 1st glance there was a distant similarity. Then I realized that the deck was loaded with cargo containers, which would not be part of the ship's length/width/height measurements. When you remove the cargo...well the similarity with Noah's Ark is completely lost.


Is it a wooden boat?
Did Noah transport animals in containers?
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#157New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 08:53:11
@Justpassing Said

Is it a wooden boat?
Did Noah transport animals in containers?



Some of the earlier accounts (i.e., pre-Biblical) had the ark made of reeds. I do not remember whether or not the dimensions were given
mrmhead On about 6 hours ago




NE, Ohio
#158New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 13:09:04
@Justpassing Said

Is it a wooden boat?
Did Noah transport animals in containers?


What does it matter? According to you - ALL large ships are Noah-Boats.

Back on Dec 3:
@Justpassing Said

You do realise that all large ships (Container ships, huge criuse ships etc) are actually based on the measurements of Noah's Ark?
And that the story was written (told) way back before these ships were built.
Also that all over the world there are different versions of stories telling of a great flood.

Maybe Noah's story is not 100% accurate... but it seems like a flood did happen... and the measurements were pretty good.
chaski On August 01, 2021
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#159New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 16:49:44
@Justpassing Said

Is it a wooden boat?
Did Noah transport animals in containers?



> The "CSCL Globe"? Technically it isn't a "boat" it is a ship.

> The bible doesn't specify containers, so I'm assuming no. And thus, if one were to remove the containers from the CSCL Globe it would look nothing like the description of Noah's Ark.

And, again, it's measurements ratios (height/length/width) are nothing like the Ark, which demonstrates that at least the "CSCL Globe" was not designed following the biblical measurements/ratios.
twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#160New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 17:23:49
i remember watched in " search of " in 70's, about that noah's ark was on top of an mountain.

it interesting, noah's ark still intact all these years, if possible to transport by helicopters or planes to see if see it still floats.

all these years, if the ark intact, that solid edvidence that the story of noah was true. if the ark sank, the ark never left that spot on the mountain, where he built.

the bible describe where the ark was built at.

it would question some of the stories in the bible.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#161New Post! Dec 09, 2017 @ 17:35:34
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Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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Saint Louis, Missouri
#162New Post! Dec 11, 2017 @ 13:57:06
@Justpassing Said

There wouldn't be if there was a world wide flood.
Except maybe in fossil form. maybe we still have to find them.



Incorrect, did not say anything like "set the standard for ship building"
I said to the effect that someone had build a large ship based upon the measurements... designed for load carrying... the ratio is still used today.
Nothing to do with ALL ship building... only some.


You said in post #83 (direct quote here):

Quote:
That's just it.... ships weren't built to those standards back then.
Or that the art was lost (Because of the flood?) until the dude thousands of years later decided to use the measurements that had been used by Noah.


This entire conversation is based on that statement and my inquiry on how you know this to be true. You say above that there are no records if there was a global flood or that maybe we have to find them...then how do you know what you claim to know in post 83?

Quote:

Well, just until just recently it was thought (claimed?) that the aussie aboriginies have only been around for 45,000 years.
Until recently, now through recent archeological finds, it is now been pushed back to 65,000 years.
I guess it might be updated again with the next find. lol

As I said before, I'm not a Creationist.


I accept that you are not a creationist and I'm not trying to assert that you are claiming the Bible is to be taken literally, I'm just mentioning that angle of it to set the stage for why it's not possible to know of records or what standards were in place for building ships "back then" because since we agree that the timeline in the Bible is not to be taken literally, we really have no clear idea when "back then" happened.

Quote:

Science does not support that God handed Moses anything.
Science is NEVER about WHO. But about HOW. Are we clear about that?


Yes, we are clear about that. That is exactly what I said in my last post.



Quote:

Never thought about what you are. it doesn't matter in a discussion.

I'm just creating discussion.
And science has never been about proving the existance or non-existance of a Higher Power.
And faith is faith. Simple as that.

Good stuff mate.


Agreed.
Electric_Banana On July 22, 2021




, New Zealand
#163New Post! Dec 11, 2017 @ 15:05:30
@Cpat92 Said

So after realizing a bunch of stuff and in the process of seeking myself, I have decided to remove myself from Religion. I’m not reverting to atheism or anything. I still believe in God, but I don’t believe God wanted us to follow Religion. To me Religion is an ideology that was created for something positive, but has been altered and poisoned so many times throughout the years that it just turns me off. I feel that by doing this, it opens my mind up more. Now besides this, the only issue I have is how I’m going to tell my mom.



Somewhere down the road you might find this of use:

I posted this here about a half year ago...may be in my blogs (not sure) but searching google for things most don't (dancing closet skeletons and such) I came by an experiment thesis.

Buried in the paragraphs of psychobabble and (literally) reading between lines whoever was doing the experimenting was littering the test environment with subliminals and pieces of misinformation to study how subjects undergoing Pandora Syndrome (I made this up because the only other way to refer to the situation is 'Entering the Twilight Zone' ) associate and piece together said props and the convictions they develop.

I kinda think that any place where I don't know where 'where' is or know why I'm there or even who I am is sneaky setup for experiments like the one suggested above.

Now, of course, that thesis may have been fabricated and planted on the interwebds for idiots like me to stumble upon.
Justpassing On February 03, 2021




Avoca Vic Australia, Australia
#164New Post! Dec 12, 2017 @ 10:12:22
@Eaglebauer Said

This entire conversation is based on that statement and my inquiry on how you know this to be true. You say above that there are no records if there was a global flood or that maybe we have to find them...then how do you know what you claim to know in post 83?



I accept that you are not a creationist and I'm not trying to assert that you are claiming the Bible is to be taken literally, I'm just mentioning that angle of it to set the stage for why it's not possible to know of records or what standards were in place for building ships "back then" because since we agree that the timeline in the Bible is not to be taken literally, we really have no clear idea when "back then" happened.



Yes, we are clear about that. That is exactly what I said in my last post.





Agreed.


Quote:
That's just it.... ships weren't built to those standards back then.
Or that the art was lost (Because of the flood?) until the dude thousands of years later decided to use the measurements that had been used by Noah.

Amazing how a missing question mark can change a question into a statement. lol
.... ships weren't built to those standards back then ?

I guess another question is what, or rather, which cubit?
Seeing that there were various different size cubits.

But look, I'm just creating discussion.
I'm not into Creationism but accept that it (or parts of) are a possibility.

I talked about floods all around the world and yes it appears some do fit into the "timeline", others don't.

But yet Genesis doesn't quite say that the whole world was flooded.
- The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth....
- Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail....
- when the mountains were covered......

Yes it says about every person, and creature, dying.
But then so do some of the other legends.

It is possible.. a whole world flood... or just partially.


And yeah, sometimes I'll conduct a church meeting with the words "I don't believe in God... convince me that God exists"

Amazing how many are stumped for words... or try quoting literature.
gakINGKONG On July 15, 2021




, Florida
#165New Post! Dec 12, 2017 @ 12:56:32
@Justpassing Said

I did too... and found this:
Saint Nicholas is a good man and the patron saint of sailors and is often called upon by mariners who are in danger of drowning or being shipwrecked.



Thanks for the gouge. I love Santa and this makes him even cooler.
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