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chaski On 54 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#16New Post! Jun 18, 2019 @ 14:11:18
@bob_the_fisherman Said

No tangent, just providing reasons why the claim that fascism and Nazism are right wing is an absurd lie told by lefty academics to protect their brand.



You seem to be demanding that your beliefs are in line with Hitler.

I find that odd, if that is what you want, spread the word.
bob_the_fisherman On August 01, 2020
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, Angola
#17New Post! Jun 18, 2019 @ 21:03:58
@chaski Said

You seem to be demanding that your beliefs are in line with Hitler.

I find that odd, if that is what you want, spread the word.



Yeah, nah. That didn't happen.
There may well be someone here whose politics is very close to Nazi, but they would call me a Nazi for opposing their Nazism and can be ignored.

As I say, left and right don't mean much. Pro and anti freedom are much more useful metrics these days.

Today, supporting freedom from government makes you a fascist and Nazi because the "progressive" left don't know facts.
chaski On 54 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#18New Post! Jun 18, 2019 @ 21:49:39
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Yeah, nah. That didn't happen.
There may well be someone here whose politics is very close to Nazi, but they would call me a Nazi for opposing their Nazism and can be ignored.

As I say, left and right don't mean much. Pro and anti freedom are much more useful metrics these days.

Today, supporting freedom from government makes you a fascist and Nazi because the "progressive" left don't know facts.



Ha ha... you say that, but you also said that you were plotted close to Hitler.

Of course in defense of you, you ignored the fact that Hitler was at the top of the chart in terms of being authoritarian, even if he was only a smidgeon to the right of you on the scale of left vs right.

No doubt you will deny my point, but I defend you none the less.

You can dupe others, but I just won't fall for it... you are no Hitler... nor are you a racist white nationalist.

Protest all you will, but I have "known" you for quite a while... and you are much more liberal and farther to the left than you would like to admit.
bob_the_fisherman On August 01, 2020
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#19New Post! Jun 19, 2019 @ 01:23:03
@chaski Said

Ha ha... you say that, but you also said that you were plotted close to Hitler.

Of course in defense of you, you ignored the fact that Hitler was at the top of the chart in terms of being authoritarian, even if he was only a smidgeon to the right of you on the scale of left vs right.

No doubt you will deny my point, but I defend you none the less.

You can dupe others, but I just won't fall for it... you are no Hitler... nor are you a racist white nationalist.

Protest all you will, but I have "known" you for quite a while... and you are much more liberal and farther to the left than you would like to admit.


Of course. I would be further from Hitler than many people that post here I suspect. My point was, of course, that like me, Hitler is on the left side of the political spectrum.

While I happily admit that I'm not on the right in any meaningful sense, I am also not particularly left wing either. I am an advocate of freedom and limited government intervention in the economy (although not as limited as those on the economic right claim to be). Government has a crucial role to play... it's just not playing it.

But that aside, we all know (if we think) that Hitler is nowhere near right wing. He should be somewhere near Stalin.

You clearly disagree. Why? What makes Hitler right wing?
chaski On 54 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#20New Post! Jun 19, 2019 @ 01:27:22
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Of course. I would be further from Hitler than many people that post here I suspect. My point was, of course, that like me, Hitler is on the left side of this particular test.

While I happily admit that I'm not on the right in any meaningful sense, I am also not particularly left wing either. I am an advocate of freedom and limited government intervention in the economy (although not as limited as those on the economic right claim to be). Government has a crucial role to play... it's just not playing it.

But that aside, we all know (if we think) that Hitler is nowhere near right wing. He should be somewhere near Stalin.

You clearly disagree. Why? What makes Hitler right wing?



I clearly disagree that you are like Hitler.

I am defending and advocating you.

Is the English language so hard for you to understand.
bob_the_fisherman On August 01, 2020
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, Angola
#21New Post! Jun 19, 2019 @ 04:25:11
@chaski Said

I clearly disagree that you are like Hitler.

I am defending and advocating you.

Is the English language so hard for you to understand.


Ok... but why is Hitler on the right?
chaski On 54 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#22New Post! Jun 19, 2019 @ 04:33:51
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Ok... but why is Hitler on the right?


Why are you like Hitler?

Perhaps you are an extreme authoritarian...

Perhaps your leftist ideals match his...
restoreone On May 23, 2020




, Ohio
#23New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 03:09:12
This test can't be real. I was almost dead on with Gandhi. No way can a warrior be on the same wave link as Gandhi.
chaski On 54 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#24New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 03:38:23
@restoreone Said

This test can't be real. I was almost dead on with Gandhi. No way can a warrior be on the same wave link as Gandhi.



Or, as an indigenous person to India his thinking was somewhat like yours.

Yes, he chose "peaceful" protest over battle... but then died a violent death at the hands of a dishonest enemy.

He was a man that stood up for his people, wanted the best for his people...maybe all people... accepted the difficulties, chose to "fight" for his people in a spiritual way... etc...

(Yes... he had some personal flaws...)

Was he really so different from you?

Do all "warriors" go to war?

Don't get me wrong... I don't know... I am just asking...

bob_the_fisherman On August 01, 2020
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, Angola
#25New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 09:16:01
@chaski Said

Why are you like Hitler?

Perhaps you are an extreme authoritarian...

Perhaps your leftist ideals match his...


I'm not like Hitler. Doesn't alter the fact that Hitler is left wing in much the same way every other brand of socialist/communist (including Mussolini) is right wing.
gakINGKONG 1 minutes ago




, Florida
#26New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 09:51:54
my results today

chaski On 54 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#27New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 13:36:23
@bob_the_fisherman Said


....the same way every other brand of socialist/communist... is right wing.



darkman666 11 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#28New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 14:10:37
by find out that ghandi and hilter were Nazi. if they were live today, they would much worst than Nazi by the long run. they would be republicans, too.!!
nooneinparticular On about 3 hours ago




, Hawaii
#29New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 21:00:11
@gakINGKONG Said

my results today



I must say I am slightly surprised by this. With how much you talk about personal responsibility, I figured you'd lean more towards Libertarianism than Authoritarianism.
nooneinparticular On about 3 hours ago




, Hawaii
#30New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 22:50:19
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Left and right are of limited value at the best of times, but of no value whatsoever when people claim Nazism and fascism are on the right. I understand why academics (who tend toward the left) are all desperate to demonise these two ideas and call them right wing - it deflects from the fact that the most murderous people in history are predominantly on the left, and allows them to pretend that Marxism is not authoritarian in its ideological conception and brutally despotic in practice.

When you have no choice but to claim Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho, Mao etc., I guess you want to palm off anyone else you can. Reaching 100,000,000 dead people in less than 100 years last century (the all time record for ideological killing by the way - it took Islam a few centuries), is bad enough. Adding a world war to it, and fascism? Not even the leftists could bear that. So, they lie.

What makes Nazism right wing? Is it the nationalist element? No.

The current state of "Communist" China is a lot like Nazism, only further to the right in terms of it's economically liberal policies (in that it allows non-national interests to participate). And in the past Communist China and the Soviet Union fought over their respective national interest. And as any of us who are over the age of 30 know damned well, trade labour unions in the west were once very nationalistic and openly placed their own workers above the global proletarian movement. So the lie that nationalism has no home on the left is absurd.

As I have said here before, I am not on the right. That does not mean I will suck the lefty propagandists teat though.

Nazism;

wanted government control of education (sounds like SJWs to me).
wanted government control of healthcare (sounds like SJWs to me).
wanted government control of the economy (sounds like SJWs to me).
placed the common good above the individual (sounds like SJWs to me).
believed one race was privileged (sounds like SJWs to me).
called for "social justice" against the privileged race (sounds like SJWs to me).
advocated the silencing of dissent (sounds like SJWs to me).
used violence against dissenters (sounds like SJWs to me).
wanted to eradicate ideas (sounds like SJWs to me).

Are the SJW/"Progressive"/"Democratic Socialists" on the left or right? They have a lot in common with Nazis.


Nazism also pushed:

A big pining for a bygone age that they attempted to regain (decidedly not Progressive)

A preserving of the concepts of private property and entrepreneurship, just with all the scapegoats gone (decidedly not a Collectivist or Communist stance)

Complete destruction, stigmatization, and camp internment of people joining or maintaining unions or collectivist bargaining tactics of any kind, including striking (VERY decidedly not Left, or Collectivist)

Remember that this scale breaks up the Left and Right into 4 quadrants where the Left to Right scale is purely about economic policy.

Economically, Hitler was rather central in his policies. He union busted, but also had national healthcare. He wanted control of the economy, but only to allow him to finance a war machine that would allow him to plunder his neighbors, not to support the general population. Etc. etc.

Socially, Hitler was extremely totalitarian for, perhaps very obvious reasons.

Whether or not you believe Hitler to be center left or center right largely comes down to a counting game, but he was most definitely center something. His policies are all over the place politically.
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