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bob_the_fisherman On about 20 hours ago
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#91New Post! Jul 22, 2019 @ 06:01:23
@nooneinparticular Said

I've said the same thing in multiple different ways trying to get the point across, but you still misunderstand what I'm saying. At this point, it might simply be easier to allow you to attack this hollow strawman you've set up instead of attempting to correct you again, so have at it. Yes, clearly my point has been that it is sanctimonious to value freedom.

Clearly you don't actually consider what anyone else tells you and only reinterpret what they say through your own limited perspective. What's good for the goose and all that jazz.





As I have not called for laws to be changed I am not sure why you say I am like the left for wanting things they don't want. It's a little like saying I'm like a duck because I don't have wings.

I support free speech. Until recently supporting free speech was a western value, even if it was not constitutionally protected.
nooneinparticular On about 23 hours ago




, Hawaii
#92New Post! Jul 22, 2019 @ 06:19:49
@bob_the_fisherman Said



As I have not called for laws to be changed I am not sure why you say I am like the left for wanting things they don't want. It's a little like saying I'm like a duck because I don't have wings.

I support free speech. Until recently supporting free speech was a western value, even if it was not constitutionally protected.


So calling for a closed border is not a change in law? So the border was already closed? Is that what you're saying here? Calling for controlled worker immigration is not a change in law? So was worker immigration already being controlled?

What you've essentially ended up arguing is that you don't support the current direction of Europe and the EU, and so support Britain leaving, but don't want to change any of the laws that perpetuated and embodied that direction. The direction is bad, but all the laws and regulations that were spawned from that direction don't need to be changed.
bob_the_fisherman On about 20 hours ago
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#93New Post! Jul 22, 2019 @ 06:39:27
@nooneinparticular Said

So calling for a closed border is not a change in law? So the border was already closed? Is that what you're saying here? Calling for controlled worker immigration is not a change in law? So was worker immigration already being controlled?


No. All nations had open borders until Donald Trump got elected, and people could freely travel where ever they wanted whenever they wanted.

I used to ride my unicorn, Fluffy (I called him Fluffy because he had the cutest fluffy little tuft on the tip of his horn), on the ice cream rainbow to Swaziland on the weekends, after briefly stopping in Saudi Arabia so Fluffy could s*** gumdrop lollies for all the children playing around the Kaaba.

But Drumpf is a Nazi and now my unicorn has died.
nooneinparticular On about 23 hours ago




, Hawaii
#94New Post! Jul 22, 2019 @ 07:01:26
@bob_the_fisherman Said

No. All nations had open borders until Donald Trump got elected, and people could freely travel where ever they wanted whenever they wanted.

I used to ride my unicorn, Fluffy (I called him Fluffy because he had the cutest fluffy little tuft on the tip of his horn), on the ice cream rainbow to Swaziland on the weekends, after briefly stopping in Saudi Arabia so Fluffy could s*** gumdrop lollies for all the children playing around the Kaaba.

But Drumpf is a Nazi and now my unicorn has died.


So are you or are you not calling for more stringent border controls then what already exist?

Here's the crux. Are you or are you not satisfied with how the borders of the UK are run now? If you are not, how would changing that situation not constitute a change in law?
Jennifer1984 On about 2 hours ago
Remoaner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#95New Post! Jul 22, 2019 @ 18:56:28
Regardless of what the British government wants, the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic is protected by the Good Friday Agreement, which is an international treaty with the force of law.

It is stating the obvious to say that if the Brexit fiasco wasn't happening, life would carry on as before and we wouldn't be going through this national meltdown.

And even with Brexit, the problem didn't NEED to arise. Had Theresa May not set down her red lines and made stooopid statements like "Brexit Means Brexit" in order to appease the loonies in her own party, the gammons in the Shires and the Nazis in the nutjob parties like the ERG there would still have been some wriggle room to work with.

When the Referendum result came in, the problem with the Northern Ireland border had been flagged up many times by the Remain campaign but it was tritely dismissed by the Brexiters as "Project Fear."

It is now Project Reality.... and they still won't admit it.

Pie in the sky solutions such as using technology that doesn't exist yet.... and isn't within twenty years of being innovated...... are still being touted as realistic. Nobody with any intelligence is fooled.

The wriggle room Theresa May could have had would have been to go ahead with Brexit but keep Britain in the Customs Union and Single Market. No need for a hard border in Ireland, no need for Britain to negotiate a trade deal with the EU. Life and trade goes on with no friction. No chaos. Nobody need suffer.

But that isn't the "pure" Brexit the extremists want. Theresa May knew that hence the red lines.

And look at where we are now.

We are about to put a buffoon into Downing Street. An idiot of the first order who has all the credibility a single celled organism in a petrie dish. His only job in High Office (Foreign Secretary) was a clusterf*** of epic proportions and his only legacy is that the plight of a British Citizen being held in prison in Iran is far, far worse for his intervention than it was before.

Brexit. It has to be real because you couldn't possibly make it up.
chaski On 59 minutes ago
Stalker





Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#96New Post! Jul 23, 2019 @ 01:02:54
@bob_the_fisherman Said



Ghandi was a Nazi... whodda thunk



So, what we've all learned in this thread is that Bob (his socio-political view) is well farther to the left than he let's on in his posts.

One might wonder why he has not embraced that truth...

Or one could just scream HILLARY!


mrmhead On 56 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#97New Post! Jul 23, 2019 @ 01:07:43
@chaski Said

So, what we've all learned in this thread is that Bob (his socio-political view) is well farther to the left than he let's on in his posts.

One might wonder why he has not embraced that truth...

Or one could just scream HILLARY!




I though the new dog-whistle was Socialism!
chaski On 59 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#98New Post! Jul 23, 2019 @ 03:10:13
@mrmhead Said

I though the new dog-whistle was Socialism!


Lindsey Graham wants to bring back the McCarthyism dog whistle: The Squad are communists!
bob_the_fisherman On about 20 hours ago
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#100New Post! Sep 14, 2019 @ 08:05:56
@chaski Said

So, what we've all learned in this thread is that Bob (his socio-political view) is well farther to the left than he let's on in his posts.

One might wonder why he has not embraced that truth...

Or one could just scream HILLARY!





I often say I am not really on the right. I also say I don't support the GOP etc. I am considered right wing even though I'm far to the left of many left wingers who call me a Nazi and claim Nazism is on the right.

Clownworld... that is the explanation of the otherwise inexplicable.
chaski On 59 minutes ago
Stalker





Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#101New Post! Sep 15, 2019 @ 15:37:12
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I often say I am not really on the right. I also say I don't support the GOP etc. I am considered right wing even though I'm far to the left of many left wingers who call me a Nazi and claim Nazism is on the right.

Clownworld... that is the explanation of the otherwise inexplicable.



A. I think you should go on line and find more of these tests that point to what you really believe politically. Maybe take two or three. If each comes back and suggests that you are a "left" leaning person, then that is likely the reality. If the other tests point to you being more "right" leaning, then that is what you are. If the results are mixed, then there is likely either a flaw in the questioning or a flaw in you answers/understanding of the questions.


B.Even if we accept your premise that the 1930'3/1940's era Nazi party was a hard left socialist group, that is at best a historical/academic point. Modern "Nazi" groups tend, clearly, to be right wing (and typically far right) organizations made up of self identifying white racists and/or white supremacists. That also is little more than a historical academic point.

The real point of the OP was, essentially, where do you really stand in terms of your political beliefs.

It seems to me, and I could we'll be wrong, that you are in fact much farther to the left than you would like to admit... AND this is largely because you have been duped by YouTube videos that are loaded with catch phrases and false and/or misleading "facts" that seem enticing and sound nice...

An honest assessment of your real beliefs, real political opinion, coupled with a critical fact based assessment of the YouTube videos that you have allowed to sway your opinions, would probably be suitable in you case.

But maybe I am wrong.
bob_the_fisherman On about 20 hours ago
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#102New Post! Sep 17, 2019 @ 09:28:07
@chaski Said

A. I think you should go on line and find more of these tests that point to what you really believe politically. Maybe take two or three. If each comes back and suggests that you are a "left" leaning person, then that is likely the reality. If the other tests point to you being more "right" leaning, then that is what you are. If the results are mixed, then there is likely either a flaw in the questioning or a flaw in you answers/understanding of the questions.


B.Even if we accept your premise that the 1930'3/1940's era Nazi party was a hard left socialist group, that is at best a historical/academic point. Modern "Nazi" groups tend, clearly, to be right wing (and typically far right) organizations made up of self identifying white racists and/or white supremacists. That also is little more than a historical academic point.

The real point of the OP was, essentially, where do you really stand in terms of your political beliefs.

It seems to me, and I could we'll be wrong, that you are in fact much farther to the left than you would like to admit... AND this is largely because you have been duped by YouTube videos that are loaded with catch phrases and false and/or misleading "facts" that seem enticing and sound nice...

An honest assessment of your real beliefs, real political opinion, coupled with a critical fact based assessment of the YouTube videos that you have allowed to sway your opinions, would probably be suitable in you case.

But maybe I am wrong.


I think Nazi's identify as being on the right without knowing what right and left mean tbh.

My politics is fairly simple.
Socially, I am a libertarian. I think people should be allowed to do what they want and say what they want, until that freedom impinges the liberty of others. There are things I dislike (abortion, for example), but I would not ban it, although I do not think government should pay for it except in cases with extraordinary circumstances.

Economically, I'm a bit of a globally aware national utilitarian. A government should act in the interests of its own people, while not looking to screw other nations. What works in the US may not work in Australia and vice versa. I believe the government has a role to play in the economy, including in regulating global trade, and that that role should be informed by national interests, not ideology. Part of acting in the national interest would also include reigning in the power of TNCs (which I despise on principle), but people should otherwise be free to legitimately/legally accumulate wealth.

So I'm left leaning (economically), libertarian socially with personally conservative views, moderately nationalist and I favour capitalism in a globally connected world. Simple.
chaski On 59 minutes ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#103New Post! Sep 17, 2019 @ 18:06:04
@bob_the_fisherman Said


Socially, I am a libertarian.




Your posted test results suggest that you are only very slightly leaning towards libertarian ideals.

Again, I would suggest that you take a number of these sorts of test (perhaps with a greater number of questions with more specificity) to learn what you really and truly are.

Or don't.
gakINGKONG On about 2 hours ago




, Florida
#104New Post! Sep 18, 2019 @ 09:36:25
Well, not everyone favors capitalism and a few countries haven’t figured out how they can.
bob_the_fisherman On about 20 hours ago
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#105New Post! Sep 19, 2019 @ 22:17:00
@chaski Said

Your posted test results suggest that you are only very slightly leaning towards libertarian ideals.

Again, I would suggest that you take a number of these sorts of test (perhaps with a greater number of questions with more specificity) to learn what you really and truly are.

Or don't.


I have done a few. Depending on wording I tend to lean more toward libertarian.

For example in that quiz they asked if we thought certain forms of sexual activity were wrong, and I answered yes. This pushed me toward authoritarian. However, had they worded that question differently and asked if people should be punished in some way for such activity I would answer absolutely not, moving me further into the libertarian realm.

Just because I disagree with a thing it does not follow that I necessarily want it banned, legislated, prohibited or even stigmatised.
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