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darkman666 On 15 minutes ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#31New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 14:10:37
by find out that ghandi and hilter were Nazi. if they were live today, they would much worst than Nazi by the long run. they would be republicans, too.!!
nooneinparticular On April 29, 2020




, Hawaii
#32New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 21:00:11
@gakINGKONG Said

my results today



I must say I am slightly surprised by this. With how much you talk about personal responsibility, I figured you'd lean more towards Libertarianism than Authoritarianism.
nooneinparticular On April 29, 2020




, Hawaii
#33New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 22:50:19
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Left and right are of limited value at the best of times, but of no value whatsoever when people claim Nazism and fascism are on the right. I understand why academics (who tend toward the left) are all desperate to demonise these two ideas and call them right wing - it deflects from the fact that the most murderous people in history are predominantly on the left, and allows them to pretend that Marxism is not authoritarian in its ideological conception and brutally despotic in practice.

When you have no choice but to claim Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho, Mao etc., I guess you want to palm off anyone else you can. Reaching 100,000,000 dead people in less than 100 years last century (the all time record for ideological killing by the way - it took Islam a few centuries), is bad enough. Adding a world war to it, and fascism? Not even the leftists could bear that. So, they lie.

What makes Nazism right wing? Is it the nationalist element? No.

The current state of "Communist" China is a lot like Nazism, only further to the right in terms of it's economically liberal policies (in that it allows non-national interests to participate). And in the past Communist China and the Soviet Union fought over their respective national interest. And as any of us who are over the age of 30 know damned well, trade labour unions in the west were once very nationalistic and openly placed their own workers above the global proletarian movement. So the lie that nationalism has no home on the left is absurd.

As I have said here before, I am not on the right. That does not mean I will suck the lefty propagandists teat though.

Nazism;

wanted government control of education (sounds like SJWs to me).
wanted government control of healthcare (sounds like SJWs to me).
wanted government control of the economy (sounds like SJWs to me).
placed the common good above the individual (sounds like SJWs to me).
believed one race was privileged (sounds like SJWs to me).
called for "social justice" against the privileged race (sounds like SJWs to me).
advocated the silencing of dissent (sounds like SJWs to me).
used violence against dissenters (sounds like SJWs to me).
wanted to eradicate ideas (sounds like SJWs to me).

Are the SJW/"Progressive"/"Democratic Socialists" on the left or right? They have a lot in common with Nazis.


Nazism also pushed:

A big pining for a bygone age that they attempted to regain (decidedly not Progressive)

A preserving of the concepts of private property and entrepreneurship, just with all the scapegoats gone (decidedly not a Collectivist or Communist stance)

Complete destruction, stigmatization, and camp internment of people joining or maintaining unions or collectivist bargaining tactics of any kind, including striking (VERY decidedly not Left, or Collectivist)

Remember that this scale breaks up the Left and Right into 4 quadrants where the Left to Right scale is purely about economic policy.

Economically, Hitler was rather central in his policies. He union busted, but also had national healthcare. He wanted control of the economy, but only to allow him to finance a war machine that would allow him to plunder his neighbors, not to support the general population. Etc. etc.

Socially, Hitler was extremely totalitarian for, perhaps very obvious reasons.

Whether or not you believe Hitler to be center left or center right largely comes down to a counting game, but he was most definitely center something. His policies are all over the place politically.
chaski On 48 minutes ago
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#34New Post! Jun 21, 2019 @ 23:05:51
@nooneinparticular Said

I must say I am slightly surprised by this. With how much you talk about personal responsibility, I figured you'd lean more towards Libertarianism than Authoritarianism.



It seems to me that most Americans are not in touch with their true beliefs. This might be true for all humans.

Anyway, Americans like to pick a side... a team to root for.. even if that "team" isn't really representative of their beliefs.

"I am a Democrat, because my family has always been Democrats"

"I am a Republican because i watched a YouTube video that said Hillary murdered 90 people."

"Like Trump because he is not "PC"... even if I actually disagree with everything he says."

Etc

"And if someone points out the flaws in my reasoning, even with facts... especially with facts... that proves I'm right, even though I am really wrong."
nooneinparticular On April 29, 2020




, Hawaii
#35New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 01:10:44
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Yeah, nah. That didn't happen.
There may well be someone here whose politics is very close to Nazi, but they would call me a Nazi for opposing their Nazism and can be ignored.

As I say, left and right don't mean much. Pro and anti freedom are much more useful metrics these days.

Today, supporting freedom from government makes you a fascist and Nazi because the "progressive" left don't know facts.


All you've done is co-opt their original meaning for your own purposes. The Left is now about Social Authoritarianism to you, and the economic policy doesn't mean anything. The Right is now about Social Libertarianism, regardless of the economic policies.

Personally I don't find this a particularly more useful scale then the Left and Right one.
gakINGKONG On about 1 hour ago




, Florida
#36New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 02:47:52
@nooneinparticular Said

I must say I am slightly surprised by this. With how much you talk about personal responsibility, I figured you'd lean more towards Libertarianism than Authoritarianism.



Greetings.

I felt that the test was inadequate.

I would probably get different results if I could go through and clarify the intent of each question which were vaguely worded.
chaski On 48 minutes ago
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#37New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 03:37:09
I'd like to see one of these tests, but for religion....

are "you" really a christian, muslim, hindu, wicca, "spiritual", buddhist, jew, atheist, etc.

mrmhead 5 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#38New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 03:37:21
@gakINGKONG Said

Greetings.

I felt that the test was inadequate.

I would probably get different results if I could go through and clarify the intent of each question which were vaguely worded.



But as more take the test there will be more data points to query for the metadata of profiles from the nexus database, and it's AI will adjust algorithms to more accurately match answers to scores.
chaski On 48 minutes ago
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#39New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 03:56:38
@nooneinparticular Said

I must say I am slightly surprised by this. With how much you talk about personal responsibility, I figured you'd lean more towards Libertarianism than Authoritarianism.



@gakINGKONG Said


I felt that the test was inadequate.

I would probably get different results if...



@mrmhead Said

But as more take the test there will be more data points to query for the metadata of profiles from the nexus database, and it's AI will adjust algorithms to more accurately match answers to scores.



As is too common, gakINGKONG has made an excuse for what he believes, rather than accepting and admitting what he believes.

This is the very point of the "test"... what do you really think.

If the results are in line with your proclaimed political position: Great.

If the results are NOT in line with your proclaimed political position YOU should re-evaluate your stance.

This is a very simple and straightforward idea.

What do you really think?

Some people need to wake the f__k up and realize that they do not actually believe in the things that they promote.

It is really very simple... be honest... especially with yourself.
chaski On 48 minutes ago
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#40New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 04:02:24
@chaski Said

As is too common, gakINGKONG has made an excuse for what he believes, rather than accepting and admitting what he believes.

This is the very point of the "test"... what do you really think.

If the results are in line with your proclaimed political position: Great.

If the results are NOT in line with your proclaimed political position YOU should re-evaluate your stance.

This is a very simple and straightforward idea.

What do you really think?

Some people need to wake the f__k up and realize that they do not actually believe in the things that they promote.

It is really very simple... be honest... especially with yourself.



And, of course, by saying that I am being immature, insulting, childish, "punching" people, being rude, acting like a jackass, etc.

There is no chance in the world (let alone the universe) that I am fairly suggesting that people be honest with themselves and others... whatever their opinions are.

nooneinparticular On April 29, 2020




, Hawaii
#41New Post! Jun 22, 2019 @ 04:46:20
@gakINGKONG Said

Greetings.

I felt that the test was inadequate.

I would probably get different results if I could go through and clarify the intent of each question which were vaguely worded.


While I will admit that some of the questions were hard to pin down, I kind of doubt that it would be enough to throw you into another category.

Like, it gave me a rating that was actually pretty deep into Libetarianism, but you espouse Libertarian views way more than I do I feel. So either you're not as Libertarian as you like to believe, or the test pegged someone who should have been pretty close to Ayn Rand as slightly Authoritarian.

That being said, believe what you want. No skin off my nose either way.
bob_the_fisherman On July 06, 2020
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#42New Post! Jun 25, 2019 @ 09:17:24
@nooneinparticular Said

Nazism also pushed:

A big pining for a bygone age that they attempted to regain (decidedly not Progressive)


Yes, I agree that race based politics and calls for social justice are not "progressive," however, now that you are also a Nazi, do you think Nazism is on the left or right?

@nooneinparticular Said
A preserving of the concepts of private property and entrepreneurship, just with all the scapegoats gone (decidedly not a Collectivist or Communist stance)


With all means of production brought to heel under the jackboot of government - definitely not a right wing idea.

Like today's "progressive" purveyors of race based social justice, Hitler was happy for corporations to remain privately owned, as long as they do what they're told.

And entrepreneurship in Nazi Germany was always considered subservient to the state.

Hitler was clear that the collective good outweighed the good of the individual (you can find quotes from him stating this almost exactly).

@nooneinparticular Said
Complete destruction, stigmatization, and camp internment of people joining or maintaining unions or collectivist bargaining tactics of any kind, including striking (VERY decidedly not Left, or Collectivist)


How strong is the union movement in the average socialist state? When the government has control of the means of production (as happened in Germany for the most part), a union is either in lockstep with, or opposing the government that acts for the "good of the people."

The left does not countenance such folly.

@nooneinparticular Said
Economically, Hitler was rather central in his policies. He union busted, but also had national healthcare. He wanted control of the economy, but only to allow him to finance a war machine that would allow him to plunder his neighbors, not to support the general population. Etc. etc.


I suppose this depends how we define right, left and centre economically.
Right wing economics is generally leaning towards a _laissez faire_ model (that I oppose). We can call Hitler's model many things, but not that.

@nooneinparticular Said
Whether or not you believe Hitler to be center left or center right largely comes down to a counting game, but he was most definitely center something. His policies are all over the place politically.


To me he was just another branch of communism, like Mussolini and the fascist movement.
bob_the_fisherman On July 06, 2020
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, Angola
#43New Post! Jun 25, 2019 @ 09:25:06
@nooneinparticular Said

All you've done is co-opt their original meaning for your own purposes. The Left is now about Social Authoritarianism to you, and the economic policy doesn't mean anything. The Right is now about Social Libertarianism, regardless of the economic policies.

Personally I don't find this a particularly more useful scale then the Left and Right one.


Not really. I don't think left and right mean much these days. More useful metrics are now based around ideas on freedom than ideas on economic models. That's not to say that can't and won't change in the future, but for now, left and right are largely irrelevant.

Tommy Robinson, for example, is called "far right" for wanting to protect workers from the culturally suicidal policies of the "left wing" chattering class who fear protecting workers will impede their overseas holidays. Under these circumstances left and right are meaningless.
bob_the_fisherman On July 06, 2020
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, Angola
#44New Post! Jun 25, 2019 @ 09:27:02
@chaski Said




Touche...
Me needs more proofreading (or even any proofreading)
chaski On 48 minutes ago
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#45New Post! Jun 25, 2019 @ 17:24:07
@bob_the_fisherman Said

Touche...
Me needs more proofreading (or even any proofreading)


We all make mistakes.
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