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GreenAppleKing On April 23, 2015

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#1New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 15:12:43
If the universe is only thousands of years old as the Bible strongly suggests, how can we see objects that are at light travel time distances far greater than a few thousand years?

Since my childhood, the answer I have received was "the Universe was created to appear aged, or in created in progress."

Thoughts?
Hypnotica On October 08, 2023

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#2New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 15:36:35
Depends what you believe in. The universe or The Bible.
What ever you truly believe has the answers you need.
alex_simms On April 30, 2020




Glastonbury, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 15:45:31
I was educated in a Bible-believing school and the explanation given was that the 6 days of creation was just figurative. There was no conflict withe science.
chaski On June 22, 2024
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#4New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 16:29:50
@GreenAppleKing Said

If the universe is only thousands of years old as the Bible strongly suggests, how can we see objects that are at light travel time distances far greater than a few thousand years?

Since my childhood, the answer I have received was "the Universe was created to appear aged, or in created in progress."

Thoughts?



Why would god present the world/universe in a tricky way?

We already have a life full of challenges and choices (tests?). So why would god lay out the universe and our world is such a way that it is confusing and presents one more challenge to our faith?

What is wrong with the idea of an infinite god that created our universe/world a very long time ago?

If God is infinite and has been here for an infinite period of time, why did he wait until just 6,000 years ago to do anything?

What is so special about 6,000 years ago?

If god created the universe/world 4 million or 5 billion years ago, does that make him any less powerful? Any less creative?

If god has been in a constant state of creating our universe/world, doesn't that make him all the more powerful and creative?

Why would you want to limit god?

Finally, if what "we" need is to accept Jesus as our savior... what difference does it make how old the earth is?

If the universe is billions of years old, does that invalidate the teachings and role of Jesus?
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#5New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 17:30:27
@chaski Said

Why would god present the world/universe in a tricky way?




to give smartasses something to amuse themselves with?

i am a yec from the past.

the ball of water has no biblical age.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#6New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 17:36:02
if time slows as i get to light speed.
shining a light from my starting point.
what happens to the wave if i exceed the speed of light?
chaski On June 22, 2024
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#7New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 17:57:00
@Willi Said

to give smartasses something to amuse themselves with?

i am a yec from the past.

the ball of water has no biblical age.



For what it is worth here is part of my opinion on the topic:

The idea that the (roughly) 1,400 words in the book of Genesis 1 & 2 that address the creation of the universe & our world (which were given to Moses, a man not at all familiar with science) even remotely address the creativity and abilities of (let alone the process(es) used by) an infinite god is quite simply ridiculous.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#8New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 18:07:57
@chaski Said

For what it is worth here is part of my opinion on the topic:

The idea that the (roughly) 1,400 words in the book of Genesis 1 & 2 that address the creation of the universe & our world (which were given to Moses, a man not at all familiar with science) even remotely address the creativity and abilities of (let alone the process(es) used by) an infinite god is quite simply ridiculous.



hard to do with all the words we got today.
if 2 items are traveling at 5/8 the speed of light away from each other, can either see each other with human eyes?
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#9New Post! Feb 24, 2014 @ 18:09:01
how do we know "red shift" is not do to our gravity?
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#10New Post! Feb 25, 2014 @ 00:47:00
@Willi Said

if time slows as i get to light speed.
shining a light from my starting point.
what happens to the wave if i exceed the speed of light?



As I understand it the speed of light is the fastest speed there is.
GreenAppleKing On April 23, 2015

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#11New Post! Feb 25, 2014 @ 01:04:24
@chaski Said

Why would god present the world/universe in a tricky way?

We already have a life full of challenges and choices (tests?). So why would god lay out the universe and our world is such a way that it is confusing and presents one more challenge to our faith?

What is wrong with the idea of an infinite god that created our universe/world a very long time ago?

If God is infinite and has been here for an infinite period of time, why did he wait until just 6,000 years ago to do anything?

What is so special about 6,000 years ago?

If god created the universe/world 4 million or 5 billion years ago, does that make him any less powerful? Any less creative?

If god has been in a constant state of creating our universe/world, doesn't that make him all the more powerful and creative?

Why would you want to limit god?

Finally, if what "we" need is to accept Jesus as our savior... what difference does it make how old the earth is?

If the universe is billions of years old, does that invalidate the teachings and role of Jesus?


Creationist, such as I, who believe in a young earth ought not discount the miraculous.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#12New Post! Feb 25, 2014 @ 01:07:32
@Erimitus Said

As I understand it the speed of light is the fastest speed there is.



how would we see if it isn't?
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#13New Post! Feb 25, 2014 @ 01:09:37
@GreenAppleKing Said

Creationist, such as I, who believe in a young earth ought not discount the miraculous.



how does the miraculous work in your thoughts?

is it a process, or more of a "POOF"?
chaski On June 22, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#14New Post! Feb 25, 2014 @ 01:11:28
@GreenAppleKing Said

Creationist, such as I, who believe in a young earth ought not discount the miraculous.



So your god is not powerful nor creative enough to do it in more than 6000 years, but is sneaky enough to make it look like he did it in more than 6000 years.

I wonder why he would trick so many people.

Electric_Banana On April 24, 2024




, New Zealand
#15New Post! Feb 25, 2014 @ 01:12:40
So let the midnight special



shine a light up my bunghole.
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