Can abortion be compared to other forms of historical genocide?

@doubtingthomas Said

Well earth worms can be both sexes at once. and some snails can reproduce without any sex at all. Lets stick to humans for the sake of our own sanity.

@AmberB Said

I would say it's more spiritual (not in the "god will punish you" sense) than silly. Some people see real value in that connection reguardless of the fact that it's just a few cells. It's not about the scientific definitions of what's a person, or what's alive, or what has a conciousness; it's about that connection being made between two people and then it's beautiful results carelessly destroyed. Some people hold that connection to be sacred.

And your asking about people's opinions, so how can you already know the answer?

@doubtingthomas Said

I have said this before in other posts, but no one has yet to answer it.


In states that have abortion as legal, and murder isn't the time a fetus becomes a person is around 20weeks. Killing a 21week old fetus would be murder at that point. The reason they figured out this particular moment is based on the chances a fetus can survive outside its mothers body. At that very moment it, in the eyes of the law become a murderable person.

What my question is... why do some anti abortion people quote the moment of conception as being the time the egg and sperm meet? Why not before conception? I mean a woman is effectivly killing a babies chances of living by 100%, when she says no to sexual intercourse... Wouldn't it be considered a form of abortion?

Why do anti abortion people focus so much on just the sperm and egg meeting moment? It by no means guarentees a baby, trust me my wife had 2 miscarrages before we had our child. I say take it one step further... if any fertal woman says no to any fertal man, its a form of murder... it makes just about as much sence as when the sperm and egg meet.

@doubtingthomas Said

Well first, I know what the answer is, I just like to engadge with other people in calm conversation.

What I'm looking for is consistancy across the board based on reality.

Of course I'm not proposing its murder of a potential baby every time a woman says no to sex with a man. That would be just silly. The point I'm bringing up is... life simply doesn't begin when a egg and sperm meet any more than when a man asks a woman(or vs versa go womens lib) for sex. So to hang on to the idea thats when life begins is just silly.

See?

I'm proving a point by asking a question I already know the answer to. I'm also spuring conversation about a hot topic and creating interest on the topic at hand, which is abortion. Its a form of recreation for me and find it intelectualy simulating.

@Paradigm10 Said

I thought I was pushing the envelope by comparing abortion to genocide. Now you are comparing abstinence to abortion.

I'm not sure that abstinence can even be compared to contraception. Can contraception be compared to abortion?

@doubtingthomas Said

I'll ask you this...

Does the act of contraception and abstinence end the potential life of a inocent child?

@Paradigm10 Said

Right off the bat I'm going to apologize because I'm posting this question and I don't have the time to stick around to see where it goes. Feel free to have fun without me for awhile. I'll be back. 8)

https://www.blackgenocide.org/abortion.html

This link is necessary though I know that links are ignored alot of the time.

The points of comparision are interesting. There are several of them made between The Final Solution, Slavery, and Abortion. They are as follows:

1. Personhood is always redefined to exclude the intended victim class.

2. Genocide is often framed in the lanquage of "choice".

3. Victim class tends to be people who have what we want or who get in our way.

4. Victim class is often seen as a "disease" on society or as diseased themselves.

5. Resources are inadequate to care for intended victim class if they are allowed to live.

Abortion is most often viewed as a personal choice but are there overall consequences in our society for better or for worse. For Example, if I were a racist individual (I'm Not) I would be very happy with the fact that 35% of abortions take place among black women who make up 12% of the population.

@Paradigm10 Said

Only if that child already pre-exists in the mind of God. That is a whole other can of worms. Let's leave the metaphysical out of it for now.

@doubtingthomas Said

Exactly.. and god can clearly and has in the past... totaly bypassed the whole egg and sperm methoud of procreation. So if god wants the baby to be around, he indeed has the ability to skirt the rules.

@doubtingthomas Said

But you wouldn't even know that process even happened without science. And now that science has indeed proven that babies arn't alive untill 6 months in... Why cling old science in the name of religion?

@2nd_Evil_Head Said

The answer to the title question depends entirely on which side finally wins the debate.

@AmberB Said

You don't have to be religious to feel that the connection is worth treasuring and to be saddened to see it's potential go unrealized.

@doubtingthomas Said

Exactly, when a woman says no to sex a potential child goes unrealized, it saddens me. You don't have to be religious to feel that connection was worth treasuring.

@Paradigm10 Said

Perhaps the side which has the most babies will finally win the debate. I've also heard abortion spoken of as demographic suicide.

@doubtingthomas Said

Exactly, when a woman says no to sex a potential child goes unrealized, it saddens me. You don't have to be religious to feel that connection was worth treasuring.