Can abortion be compared to other forms of historical genocide?

Auckland, New Zealand

Nov 26, 2009 @ 09:55:02

According to the AFCARS Report (Adoption and Foster Care Analysis and Reporting System Report), there were approximately 542,000 children in the U. S. in foster care on September 30, 2001.

https://adoption.about.com/cs/resourcesparents/f/howmany.htm?rd=1

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Ichooselife

, Colorado

#17

Nov 29, 2009 @ 20:34:52

We are going through several. They all say the same thing. Most kids in Foster care are not up for adoption, because they are going through social services regarding their current parents mal-treatment, etc.

Yours,

Ichooselife

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fitzyp

Auckland, New Zealand

#18

Nov 30, 2009 @ 06:58:41

@Ichooselife Said

We are going through several. They all say the same thing. Most kids in Foster care are not up for adoption, because they are going through social services regarding their current parents mal-treatment, etc.

Yours,

Ichooselife

Apparently there are currently 130,000 waiting to be adopted...
https://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/stats_research/afcars/trends.htm

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mrmexico25

Dallas, Texas

#19

Dec 01, 2009 @ 22:41:15

I don't think so, it's not aimed at a certain race or religious group. It's not being done by one group of people or one person in general so no.

I can see how someone might construe the definition of genocide for their own personal agenda against abortions though.

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TheMightyOz

Awooga!

Luton, United Kingdom

#20

Dec 01, 2009 @ 22:54:16

Of course it can be compared. Anything can be compared to anything. It just doesn't make any sense to compare them. Like comparing a giraffe to a brick.

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GreatestIam2

Ottawa, Canada

#21

Dec 20, 2009 @ 15:20:20

Paradigm10

Followed you here from OCRT.

To your question, genocide and abortion are two very different topics.

Both involve the destruction of humans or potential humans but that is where the comparison ends.

Genocide is a hate generated crime.
Abortion is not hate generated.

The fetus or zigote is not hated. It is just not wanted.

Regards
DL

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KAMPA

Admiral Karl Donuts

Uhlan Bator, Mongolia

#22

Dec 20, 2009 @ 15:44:16

Absolutely NO!

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deal1

SECRET SQUIRREL

not of this earth,

#23

Dec 20, 2009 @ 16:38:41

Genocide is the systematic slaughter of a class or race of people. Entire populations being eradicated. Abortion is not systematic. It isn't against a class or race of people, it is across the board..all classes,all races have abortions.By definition, it is not genocide.

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Paradigm10

Old Forge,

#24

Dec 24, 2009 @ 17:14:30

@GreatestIam2 Said

Paradigm10

Followed you here from OCRT.

To your question, genocide and abortion are two very different topics.

Both involve the destruction of humans or potential humans but that is where the comparison ends.

Genocide is a hate generated crime.
Abortion is not hate generated.

The fetus or zigote is not hated. It is just not wanted.

Regards
DL

One factor which seems to be missing is hate. There are statistics which seem to suggest a racial correlation although the question remains as to whether racism is the causitive agent. If racism has nothing to do with abortion statistics then those who are making these claims are exploiting race for their own agenda.

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Chrill

Gesundheit

Järfälla, Sweden

#25

Dec 26, 2009 @ 22:32:49

At times, not making an abortion should be the crime because the kid would grow up in a crap environment and live a horrible life. Abortion is a gift, if anything

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Zef

New York, New York

#26

Dec 27, 2009 @ 01:12:12

@SparklyKatie Said

That's insane, the Jews that were murdered were born, living, NOT fetuses.

If someone kills a pregnant woman, does that person get tried for two murders?

What is insane is a society so illbred and uneducated, they actually think being a fetus has something to do with being alive or dead. A human fetus is always alive when he or she is killed with an abortion. What sort of a sick twisted brain actually believes a dead human fetus can somehow miraculously be born alive?

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ninozara

Cheshire, United Kingdom

#27

Dec 27, 2009 @ 01:23:04

@Paradigm10 Said

I understand why you would question the definition. It seems that the definition of genocide has been expanded upon by the U.N.
https://www.abortionno.org/Resources/abortion10.html

This link is just one source that I've found comparing abortion to genocide and it makes reference to a precedent setting U.N. ruling which broadened the scope of genocidal crimes.

For info...The UN Definition of Genocide (Article 2 of The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide)

any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I dont think Abortion can fit this definition, or any in fact. Abortion isn't there to destroy any particular group, it is done on a singular basis, irrespective of class/ethnicity/religion.

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fitzyp

Auckland, New Zealand

#28

Dec 27, 2009 @ 03:37:43

@Zef Said

What is insane is a society so illbred and uneducated, they actually think being a fetus has something to do with being alive or dead. A human fetus is always alive when he or she is killed with an abortion. What sort of a sick twisted brain actually believes a dead human fetus can somehow miraculously be born alive?

An acorn is also alive.

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Paradigm10

Old Forge,

#29

Dec 27, 2009 @ 07:49:02

@Zef Said

If killing human fetus is legal for all human fetus, which it is, than abortion is the systematic destruction of an entire class of humans. Just because not all human fetus are killed with abortion does not mean all human fetus cannot legally be killed with abortion. Because all human fetus can legally be killed with abortion, abortion very much is genocide, and the epitome of genocide, since the destruction of all human fetus is the destruction of the human species. By your reasoning the holocaust was not genocide, because some jews managed to escape, or hide from the death camps. Get a clue moron.

I can appreciate your point of view which seems to suggest that the unborn are a class of people unto themselves. It is questionable, however, as to when a person becomes a person. There have always been a wide range of opinions on the subject and people do disagree.

When people disagree there is that tendency to think that the moron who disagrees with you should get a clue. I've found that many of the people who disagree with me aren't morons at all. They are people within the normal range of intelligence who happen to have a different point of view.

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whisper

swansea, United Kingdom

#30

Dec 27, 2009 @ 07:51:22

@AquilusDomini Said

well...i like to think of it this way

genocide is the systematic killing of those outside the womb.

abortion seems to be carried out by those who can afford it. usually the poor end up keeping the child.

if an abortion occurs, then the existence of that person was not meant to be. the world may not be a better place without them, but would not be a worse place.

if hitler, sadam, etc had been aborted, think of the benefits. who knows what kind of evil is prevented because of abortion.

one should not be forced by government or religion to reproduce if they do not want to.

everyday we kill creatures big and small because we find them scary, ugly, tasty, or we do it just for the hell of it. can we call the elimination of mosquito larva in a pond a form of genocide? can we call the killing of cows for our dinner a form of genocide? no, we don't call it that because we feel we're justified and doing the right thing. the same goes for abortion. until we cease the killing of the creatures "below" us, i will personally support abortion and what it stands for.

abortion is a good form of population control, as China is currently showing us. it has a use and it beats the alternative of killing adult people who have established human connections and relations.

race wise, whites hold the abortion record thus far (according to some studies). we cannot called abortion racially motivated, nor can we call all genocide racially motivated. hitler not only killed jews, but gays and black people (what few there were in germany) as well. other genocides have been contained in people's own races.

abortion, when elective, is chosen usually because one feels they are incapable of caring for the child. and children are road blocks in the life of a good many people. many people who have had children then wish they had not later on down the road. those children end up being abused, abandoned, or killed by the parents. and if allowed to grow up, those children will most often repeat the patterns of the adults or become psychologically unstable.

abortion is there to prevent a host of problems for both the individual and society as a whole.

I totally subscribe to all points listed here...great minds think alike

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