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ninozara On April 30, 2020




Cheshire, United Kingdom
#61New Post! Apr 23, 2010 @ 16:27:22
@boxerdc Said

Maybe that's part of why it's accepted in our society? Because there's that "I'm going if I get caught, so I might as well go big" mentality?


Perhaps, and like you said in an earlier post, it's culture (or class). If you live in a culture where it's acceptable, then the idea of prison won't be a huge deterrent - everyone goes there.

There was a study in England that said 4.6% of families accounted for 48% of crime, that's almost half of all crime! I can't remember the particulars (It was a couple of years ago that I studied this) but there is that idea of crime 'running in the family'. I think it is probably the idea that if you grow up thinking something is 'normal' you're gonna be more likely to do it.
sarky On March 11, 2011




london, United Kingdom
#62New Post! Apr 23, 2010 @ 22:41:13
The Home Office,s Crime and Justice Survey states that in the Uk 10% of the prison population are Afro Caribean.
Young White and mixed raced males were far more likely to have commited an offence (28%)compared to between 12% and 19% for all other races.
Of 2 million arrested, 16% were black last year, 7% Asian.
Black people are 3 times more likely to be arrested and 6 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police even if they have not committed a crime.

They are less likely to be given bail or let off with a caution and they are more likely to recieve higher sentences.

Young black males especially are under represented by the police.

These stastistics show that racism is highly prevalant in the British justice system and must be stamped out.

People seem to miss many of the positve influences many Black people have bought to our country.

There are too numerous an ammount of successful black people to list but they have a strong influence in British music, sport and parliament.

Sir Trevor Macdonald, Shirley bassey (the most successful British female artist of all time), Lenny Henry, Frank Bruno, Lennox lewis, Lewis Hamilton, Kelly Holmes are just the tip of the iceberg!
Wellard On April 29, 2012
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In your Mind, Cape Verde
#63New Post! Apr 23, 2010 @ 23:49:12
@sarky Said

There are too numerous an ammount of successful black people to list but they have a strong influence in British music, sport and parliament.

Sir Trevor Macdonald, Shirley bassey (the most successful British female artist of all time), Lenny Henry,Frank Bruno , Lennox lewis, Lewis Hamilton, Kelly Holmes are just the tip of the iceberg!


I agree mostly with what you have said but there was no need to get silly.
NadeNibbler On May 01, 2010




, Texas
#64New Post! Apr 24, 2010 @ 01:16:59
@chachi Said

I was just looking at the FBI's national 2008 arrests by race statistics. Of the 10,662,206 total arrests in 2008: 69.2% were white, 28.3% were black, 1.3% were American Indian or Alaskan Native, and 1.1% were Asian or Pacific Islander.

Those are just the facts, you can see the report yourself here:
FBI Arrests by Race - 2008

It doesn't tell you that almost half the black population is in jail or prison though, now does it?
Grasshopper On January 11, 2023
Just me.





Fort Collins, Colorado
#65New Post! Apr 24, 2010 @ 01:19:53
Hell no. It's mostly equal crime rates. Sure people see blacks as bigger and more dangerous, so we don't usually suspect the whites. It's really crazy and strange...
chachi On October 25, 2018




Sacramento,
#66New Post! Apr 24, 2010 @ 06:20:20
I don't understand, do you really believe that half of the total black population in the United States is in jail or prison? I read that the US black population in 2008 was 37.6 million, are you saying that half (18.8 million) of those people are in jail or prison?

American prison and jails held 2,304,115 inmates in 2008. The racial break down for 2008 is as follows: 33.44% White (non-Hispanic), 40.21% African American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, and 6.06% Other. That means there was an approx. 926,485 total African American population in jail or prison. That is only 2.46% of the total African American population in jail or prison. That's not even close to half.

Where are you getting your information from?


@NadeNibbler Said

It doesn't tell you that almost half the black population is in jail or prison though, now does it?
DiamondSpirit On April 25, 2010




Broomfield,
#67New Post! Apr 25, 2010 @ 06:22:08
Did you know that recent DNA research is showing everybody is mixed race (If you go back more than 800 years or so).

Here's why--

Most Europeans have some African DNA (even Northern Europeans, most of whom have some Berber blood from North Africa).

Most North Africans have European DNA

Most sub-Saharan Africans have some ASIAN DNA and many also have some European DNA

And on and on... we are ALL mixed race...

Say hello to your cousins, they are all around you.
chachi On October 25, 2018




Sacramento,
#68New Post! Apr 25, 2010 @ 20:10:42
Oh no, does that mean that I married my cousin??? No, I know what you mean, I was just joking.

I think that there are much more important reasons for disliking a person over their skin color (lol). I think that it is normal for people to focus on the differences between things and people. I'm not saying that it is right, I'm saying that it's just how we are as people. It's the judgement of other people based on those differences that defeats us.

I guess that it is possible for organizations to skew statistics to benefits them I'm just not sure how they can change hard core numbers, such as the statistics from the FBI. I would imagine if some organization consistently published invalid information that eventually somebody would call them on it and all their data would then always be questionable.

I'm not pro any race. As you pointed out we are all from similar source DNA so let's focus on our similarities and not our differences. As big as our planet might seem at times, its too small for us all to not get along.

However, It would be interesting knowing if there was a correlation between race (skin color) and crime but I think that there would be a stronger correlation between poverty level, which affects all races, and crime.


@DiamondSpirit Said

Did you know that recent DNA research is showing everybody is mixed race (If you go back more than 800 years or so).

Here's why--

Most Europeans have some African DNA (even Northern Europeans, most of whom have some Berber blood from North Africa).

Most North Africans have European DNA

Most sub-Saharan Africans have some ASIAN DNA and many also have some European DNA

And on and on... we are ALL mixed race...

Say hello to your cousins, they are all around you.
NadeNibbler On May 01, 2010




, Texas
#69New Post! Apr 28, 2010 @ 01:52:15
@chachi Said

I don't understand, do you really believe that half of the total black population in the United States is in jail or prison? I read that the US black population in 2008 was 37.6 million, are you saying that half (18.8 million) of those people are in jail or prison?

American prison and jails held 2,304,115 inmates in 2008. The racial break down for 2008 is as follows: 33.44% White (non-Hispanic), 40.21% African American (non-Hispanic), 20.29% Hispanic, and 6.06% Other. That means there was an approx. 926,485 total African American population in jail or prison. That is only 2.46% of the total African American population in jail or prison. That's not even close to half.

Where are you getting your information from?
Where do you get yours from?!
jonnythan On August 02, 2014
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Here and there,
#70New Post! Apr 28, 2010 @ 02:02:21
@NadeNibbler Said

Where do you get yours from?!


He's obviously right.

Half the black population in prison? What the hell? Have you ever met a black person?
sarky On March 11, 2011




london, United Kingdom
#71New Post! Apr 28, 2010 @ 22:09:25
@Wellard Said

I agree mostly with what you have said but there was no need to get silly.
Their black, and not in prison though! They have worked hard and earnt their money
chachi On October 25, 2018




Sacramento,
#72New Post! Apr 29, 2010 @ 21:48:53
Please don't get me wrong and I wasn't trying to insult you. We are all entitled to our opinions but I think some times we get caught up in generalizations and stereotypes. I, too, used to make the assumption that the vast majority of people in jail or prison were blacks or other minorities until I did a little research.

Here is where I got my information:

First I looked up U.S. population data at the U.S. Census Bureau from the following web site:

US Census Bureau - 2008 Total Population by Race

Then I got the correctional population information from this Bureau of Justice Statistics web site:

Bureau of Justice Statistics
(I only used the jail and prison numbers)

And then compared them to this Bureau of Justice Statistics 2008 prison inmate statistical table:

BJS 2008 Prison Inmate Statistical Tables

That's where I got my info from

@NadeNibbler Said

Where do you get yours from?!
chachi On October 25, 2018




Sacramento,
#73New Post! Apr 29, 2010 @ 22:09:32
I remember reading similar stories. One report suggest, because of their poverty status, ethnic minorities were underrepresented (no lawyer, appointed a public defender, etc.) during court proceedings. Therefore, they were given harsher sentencing than their white counterparts. So, that might mean money could prove your innocence; an inexperienced lawyer would not charge as much as an experienced one.

I guess that kind of makes sense.


@lil_bear01 Said

Where I live it's not the color of your skin, it's the amount of 'Green' you have FACT!

2 people, one aboriginal and one white person may be charged with the identical crime but if one has the clout and money you will definitely see that one get off with probation and the other that got a 'Legal Aid' lawyer do time for the exact same crime.

This is our Justice System at it's best! Or worse!

There was a court case where a gang member and a suit were charged with 'possession of illegal substances for purposes of trafficking'. The suit got bail and sentenced to probation. The 'Gang Member' with the 'SAME' charge was denied bail and sentenced to 1 year in jail. Mmmmmmmmmmmm!

Note: Neither of the above had a previous record.
sarky On March 11, 2011




london, United Kingdom
#74New Post! Apr 30, 2010 @ 04:37:14
@grasshopper Said

Hell no. It's mostly equal crime rates. Sure people see blacks as bigger and more dangerous, so we don't usually suspect the whites. It's really crazy and strange...


Or is it that people only NOTICE when a Black person is in the media having allegedly committed a crime but totally dismiss it when race is not mentioned or a White person has committed a far worse crime?

In fact having looked at the top 50 worst criminals in American history, only a small minority are Black!
Are people dismissing the disgusting crimes of the white magority there?
_Samantha_ On May 19, 2010

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, United Kingdom
#75New Post! May 09, 2010 @ 20:14:21
@jonnythan Said

I saw this alluded to in another thread. I'd like to start a discussion about it, but hopefully without the flames and outrage that often accompany this sort of discussion.

Let's try to keep it civil.

Hinckleylad, a member of the BNP, said something about blacks more often engaging in violent crime than other racial groups, presumably whites. My questions, posed to everyone, are:

1) Is this actually true? Provide some statistics.

2) If it's true, why is that the case? What factors, in your mind, contribute to this?


Nah. It's not even remotely true babe.
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