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drbeaucroft On January 17, 2013

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#16New Post! Jan 18, 2011 @ 02:40:03
@Leon Said

If god doesn't give man free will, then you run into a lot of theological problems, namely faulting god for sin.



God is responsible for sin.
He knows the end from the start! He IS the end and the start! (Alpha/omega).
He knew therefore adam would sin.
He put the tree in the garden KNOWING they would sin before sin even existed.
God gave paul the command not to covet...why? So that paul would covet.
...Etc.

This is Gods universe. Hes in full control of everything. God uses sin, death, evil etc, for a greater good.
One must know dark before one can know light.

Isaiah 45:7
Forming light, and preparing darkness, Making peace, and preparing evil, I am Jehovah, doing all these things.'

'Christians' forget who runs the show. There would be NO sin without the creator OF sin...namely 'God'.
'Christians' think satan created evil. They believe satan created 'evil' and poor little God couldnt stop them eating of the tree of good and knowledge, even though he knew before time itself that it would happen that way. And who created Satan, knowing full well what satan would do in the first instance? Who is the first cause in it all?

God uses satan throughout scripture for greater good...He uses him for example to test Job, Jobs end being greater than his beginning...(Greater good emerging from the bad).
Satan or the 'devil' basically means 'the adversary', in other words...'a will opposed against Gods will'.

Does all of this make God evil? Is the inventor of Batman evil for creating an adversary (the joker?) Or does the joker show Batman up for being good and does Batman show the joker up for being evil?
Again, dark and light (contrast) is needed. Life/death, dark/light, tall/small. Otherwise we would'nt know anything because we would have nothing to compare 'nothing' with.
If only goody two shoes batman existed, we wouldnt know he was good without a joker to compare him with. The joker actually brings out the best in batman, he tests him, refines him, the evil of the joker shows Batmans 'goodness'. How would we even know Batman was good if he never got a chance to prove it? He could walk around in every comic strip saying "im batman, im great, im really nice too and can beat any baddies...if there were any to beat", but lets face it, what a boring comic strip and we would only have his word for it...He might be the biggest wimp on the face of the earth. Courage can only be proven if fear is present.
If someone isnt scared of jumping out a plane, how can we say that person was 'brave' to do it? Now, if someone terrifed of heights and planes jumps out a plane, despite the shaking and the tongue cleaving to the roof of the mouth, then we can say...."THAT was brave"...
Again, its all about contrast.
Every comic strip, every movie and our very lives, we have an 'adversary'. We rub off each other like a touchstone (ironically thats what some of the words to do with the lake of fire means) purifying and testing each other.

Evil is here to teach us what good is. Hate is here to teach us about love, and death is here to teach us about life and vice versa on all accounts.

If God just let everyone into heaven to start with , would we appreciate it?
...Or at the end of our lives, when weve lost EVERYTHING...Our money, our friends, our family, our youth, our very lives....Perhaps then we will have know the difference between heaven and hell and appreciate the fact that we are in a 'good place' having known a bad place?
Will we appreciate more the loved ones we lost whom we never appreciated fully here on earth when we had the chance or even had a chance to say goodbye too? We thought they were lost forever...yet here they are before us.

Does this mean humans have no free will? Nope, we have a choice. The bible says things like "choose this day whom you will follow", "why dont you decide whats right?", "If you know the good you ought to do and dont do it, you sin", "do not judge", "love each other", etc etc.
However, our will cannot thwart the eternal will of God which is far greater.
The place where people get stuck is that they forget that our will WILL be Gods will. It might not feel like it sometimes, we might want contrary to Gods will...Or we might WANT to do good but like the Saint (paul) find that we cant because evil is right there with us... However we were made for God (love) and we all go back, whatever it takes.
Hitler will WANT to be with God, he will WILLINGLY surrender to God eventually because we were all made that way. He will resist for a time, but nothing can overcome God (love). Humans have no say in this. Noone really wants evil...Not really...They think they do, but thats because theyre immature...They have more to learn...But theyll learn. And lets face it, every 'maniac' has a sob story as to why he/she ended up that way and unless we know all the ins and outs (like God does) we are not FIT to judge another human being, however the 'crooked ways will be made straight and all mankind shall see Gods salvation'.

Luke 3:6
And all mankind will see God's salvation.'"

All wrongs will be made right. And God being 'judge' will judge fairly...Yes this person did that, but WHY did he do it, did he 'think' he was doing good? Was he forced to do it? A good judge takes everything into account and makes a proper judgement and distributes corrective justice accordingly, why? For the BETTERMENT of the offender....To turn an offender into an EX-offender.

'CHristians' have a problem with hitler and satan being 'reformed', as if God somehow 'just cant do it'...theyre too evil...theyre evil is greater than Gods love....
Yes, granted It might take centurys to reform Hitler, it might take centuries to reform me. But eventually love (God) triumphs. It CANNOT be any other way. God (love) is all powerful. Hitler may not like being saved by a jew, he may detest the goodness, he may turn from the light, but hey-ho, he better get used to it, becuase Gods love is greater than any mere mortals hatred. God created us...God knows how to get to us, how to get into every fibre of our makeup, to make us conform to enjoy love (Himself) forever.

Humans know deep inside love is the right way. Ask people on the street what the meaning of life is or the greatest thing in life...Guaranteed most of the responses will be something to do with love. They know its the greatest and deep inside they know its indestructable and can overcome any fear or hatred.

And everyone knows that a god (of love???) who WANTS to save everyone but who would eternally torture most in a literal fire is evil, weak and to be pitied...And a colossal loser.
Unfortunately, as the saying goes 'like father like son' and most 'christians' worship this false image of a diety infinitely more cruel and unjust than the WORST of any of his creation and of course they act accordingly, forever condeming others to eternal torture and making 'god hates this and god hates that' sloguns.
People who dont love dont know God. Its so simple it makes my eyes water.

Did God in reality say eye for eye ....Or eye for an infinite amount of eyes? Did God say "Reap what you sow", or "Reap an infitite amount of times what you sowed"?
The bible is grossly GROSSLY mistranslated and misunderstood. The bible even says it is 'sharper than a two edged sword, able to divide between bone and marrow to find out the (innermost) SECRET thoughts of people's hearts'. This aids judgement!

If anyone wants a good bible version check out the concordant literal NT or Johnathan mitchells NT, or indeed Youngs LITERAL translation. They are faithful to the original GK HB.
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