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GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#61New Post! Aug 23, 2010 @ 15:47:18
@someone_else Said

You should hang out in the racist forums. You'd be surprised at how much you don't know about how Indians feel about things.

Said tongue-in-cheek of course.


Perhaps the Canadian Indians I know are brighter than American ones.

Regards
DL
someone_else On August 30, 2012
Not a dude.


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American Alps, Washington
#62New Post! Aug 23, 2010 @ 21:27:21
@GreatestIam2 Said

Perhaps the Canadian Indians I know are brighter than American ones.

Regards
DL



Perhaps. Perhaps they're just like any other 'race' and it depends entirely on who you ask.
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#63New Post! Aug 24, 2010 @ 12:29:23
@someone_else Said

Perhaps. Perhaps they're just like any other 'race' and it depends entirely on who you ask.


Of course.

Regards
DL
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#64New Post! Jul 14, 2012 @ 18:48:23
@GreatestIam2 Said

Satan. Created by God perfect and good or evil?

God created sin, evil and iniquity along with all things.

Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Ezekiel 28:15 (King James Version)
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

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There seems to be something wrong with the logic of these verses.

Was God surprised to find what He had created?

We are told that perfection begets perfection in a never ending line in Math 7 18, yet imperfection in the form of iniquity surfaced in Satan. It must have been put there by God Himself if Eph 3 8 is to be believed.

God is said to have somehow found it but as the creator of all things, He must have created it and placed it within Satan. Presumably to surface and have God find it. It could not have been lost to God so why the Bible uses the word found is perplexing.

We have to believe then that Satan was created exactly as he was meant to be. Perfect as God is only capable of, yet, having evil, sin and iniquity as part of his perfection.

If so, it seems strange that God is later said in scripture to cast Satan into hell.

Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking):Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

If God gave Satan his nature and Satan followed His God given nature, as he must, then why would God curse His perfect creation seeing as how perfection cannot change to imperfection?
If it can and God is also perfect then that would mean that God could also turn to imperfection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHj0dtSwxqQ

For either God or Satan.

Can you shed some light on this issue?

You should know that I do not have much of a problem with the above because I think more as the Hebrews and Jews think. That being that Satan was never evil and was more of God?s Loyal opposition and that Genesis was not the fall of man but man?s ascension to having a moral sense that comes with the knowledge of good and evil.

https://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

Regards
DL


The being who made himself into Satan or Devil was originally created perfect. He chose to rebel, God did not make him do so.
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#65New Post! Jul 15, 2012 @ 17:42:09
@MadCornishBiker Said

The being who made himself into Satan or Devil was originally created perfect. He chose to rebel, God did not make him do so.


The perfect choice and God rewarded him with dominion over the earth for making the perfect choice.

Regards
DL
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#66New Post! Jul 15, 2012 @ 18:10:38
@MadCornishBiker Said

The being who made himself into Satan or Devil was originally created perfect. He chose to rebel, God did not make him do so.


Rubbish, nonsense! The Bible God IS The Devil! Wake up!!!
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#67New Post! Jul 15, 2012 @ 19:01:47
@GreatestIam2 Said

The perfect choice and God rewarded him with dominion over the earth for making the perfect choice.

Regards
DL


God di not reward him with it. He was allowed a certain amount of free rein in order to try to prove his challenge. He has failed so first his free rein was limited by his being removed from heaven so he could no longer taunt God and the faithful angels, before long his freedom will be completely removed so that the earth can be put to rights and the resurrected be given their due second chance.

Then after a brief period of freedom giving him one final, short chance to prove his case with the resurrected ones, and giving them a chance to prove faithful, or not, he will be destroyed forever, along with all who have followed him, thus bringing peace finally to heaven and earth.

Such is the completeness of God's Love Wisdom, Mercy and Justice that even someone as evil as Satan had to be given a fair chance before he was judged finally.
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#68New Post! Jul 15, 2012 @ 19:12:37
@MadCornishBiker Said

Then after a brief period of freedom giving him one final, short chance to prove his case with the resurrected ones, and giving them a chance to prove faithful, or not, he will be destroyed forever, along with all who have followed him, thus bringing peace finally to heaven and earth.

Such is the completeness of God's Love Wisdom, Mercy and Justice that even someone as evil as Satan had to be given a fair chance before he was judged finally.


So your God's love is to destroy!?

Either case, Earth is just a tiny little planet in the solar system and as such species and civilizations will continue to come and go, come and go! Wake up!!!

..and I AM judging you right now...

+1 (Neo)
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#69New Post! Jul 15, 2012 @ 19:16:45
@wirelessguru1 Said

Rubbish, nonsense! The Bible God IS The Devil! Wake up!!!


Again, it si you who needs to wake up, that is such a patently ridiculous statement.
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#70New Post! Jul 15, 2012 @ 19:26:09
@MadCornishBiker Said

Again, it si you who needs to wake up, that is such a patently ridiculous statement.


It is the real TRUTH! Wake up!!!
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