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disHeartened On May 27, 2011

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#31New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 00:32:35
@Leon Said

It'd better not be covered in snow either lmao.


You better run your campaign for 2 weeks in mid-July then. I'd lmao too, but I froze it off about 3 months ago.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
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Wichita, Kansas
#32New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 16:24:26
@davii Said

What's it all about anyhoo?

I've got an impression of it being a group of middle class, right wing, white christians fearing a loss of power/control. Or something like that


Pretty much.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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Peoria, Arizona
#33New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 21:12:41
@Willi Said

the tea party wants the america that we had back when.
if back when was so great, why did we move away from it?


Back then we had freedom which promotes ingenuity and enterprise, which benefits all but those who cash in on the success and talent of others--and the Depression provided them the perfect foot-in-the-door opportunity for the power mongers to move in on a national scale.

It was a perfect storm, that moment of weakness combined the country's original sins, racism and blind religious faith, to provide the socialists with all the moral high ground they needed to undermine the Constitution. 80 years later, it's in shreds, and the government schooled dumbed-down population is laid waste.

The America we want back is freedom, without the racism, and with, at least for me, a reasonable philosophical foundation.

But right now, we're fighting for our economic survival as a result of corrupt officials and a greedy population ripe for manipulation and demagoguery.
Willi On August 21, 2018




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#34New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 22:03:49
@ThePainefulTruth Said

Back then we had freedom which promotes ingenuity and enterprise, which benefits all but those who cash in on the success and talent of others--and the Depression provided them the perfect foot-in-the-door opportunity for the power mongers to move in on a national scale.

It was a perfect storm, that moment of weakness combined the country's original sins, racism and blind religious faith, to provide the socialists with all the moral high ground they needed to undermine the Constitution. 80 years later, it's in shreds, and the government schooled dumbed-down population is laid waste.

The America we want back is freedom, without the racism, and with, at least for me, a reasonable philosophical foundation.

But right now, we're fighting for our economic survival as a result of corrupt officials and a greedy population ripe for manipulation and demagoguery.



freedom has 2 edges.
the freedom to share and take.
i'd like to live in a world that doesn't need a key to start a car.
the cowboy might have wished his horse needed a key so it didn't get stolen.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#35New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 22:26:23
@ThePainefulTruth Said

Back then we had freedom which promotes ingenuity and enterprise, which benefits all but those who cash in on the success and talent of others--and the Depression provided them the perfect foot-in-the-door opportunity for the power mongers to move in on a national scale.

It was a perfect storm, that moment of weakness combined the country's original sins, racism and blind religious faith, to provide the socialists with all the moral high ground they needed to undermine the Constitution. 80 years later, it's in shreds, and the government schooled dumbed-down population is laid waste.

The America we want back is freedom, without the racism, and with, at least for me, a reasonable philosophical foundation.

But right now, we're fighting for our economic survival as a result of corrupt officials and a greedy population ripe for manipulation and demagoguery.


We (First Nations) had all of the freedoms your founders were wanting. Instead they blamed us, took our land, our resources, committed ethnic cleansing & genocide while taking away our freedoms.
Yeah- that sounds fair.
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#36New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 23:03:42
@ThePainefulTruth Said

I went to a Tea Party rally at the capitol yesterday evening. It was a circus. There were about 500+ TPers about 100 police and about 50 protesters/obstructionists surrounding the crowd/stage several with bullhorns playing sirens and yelling as loud as possible--rarely saying anything at all. Three a*****es arrested.

If I'd known, I'd have brought....HA!, thinking gun weren't you.....no a bullhorn of my own, set the feedback to stun and hold my mike in front of their horn. The police weren't stopping them, why would they stop me???

Next time.



I'am making plans to attend one of those rallies myself, I can't wait! There are maybe one or two things I kinda support about the IDEA of the tea party. But that's it! My friend is looking into getting one of those bullhorns, and let the record show, even without a bullhorn, I can be very LOUD!!! I don't think those tea party folks at the rally i'am going to are ready for what i'am gonna be bringing! I just CAN'T wait to show them what a REAL protester is all about! Maybe you guys better start a "bail Spinkiegirl out of jail fund", I don't like small spaces! Thanks.
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#37New Post! Apr 17, 2011 @ 23:10:27
@ThePainefulTruth Said

Back then we had freedom which promotes ingenuity and enterprise, which benefits all but those who cash in on the success and talent of others--and the Depression provided them the perfect foot-in-the-door opportunity for the power mongers to move in on a national scale.

It was a perfect storm, that moment of weakness combined the country's original sins, racism and blind religious faith, to provide the socialists with all the moral high ground they needed to undermine the Constitution. 80 years later, it's in shreds, and the government schooled dumbed-down population is laid waste.

The America we want back is freedom, without the racism, and with, at least for me, a reasonable philosophical foundation.

But right now, we're fighting for our economic survival as a result of corrupt officials and a greedy population ripe for manipulation and demagoguery.



Hey, I love your siggy.....is that something from a quote or is it yours?
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#38New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 00:02:46
@shinobinoz Said

We (First Nations) had all of the freedoms your founders were wanting. Instead they blamed us, took our land, our resources, committed ethnic cleansing & genocide while taking away our freedoms.
Yeah- that sounds fair.



It just makes me so dam sick when some of these Americans continue to bring up all this pride in this country and patriotism to the point that is in a word, ABSURD, IMO!!! Sure, we have much to be proud of, but the small amount of pride I do feel for this country, came at a HUGE price. A horrible human, moral, and bloody price! America still hasn't lived up to her founding principles or promises. Which is truly SHAMEFUL and is nothing to be proud of. Very few Americans will ever even acknowledge the true history and legacy some of our founders left behind! There's a DEEP and LASTING connection to our past. The wrongs that have yet to addressed, is the destruction and demise we are witnessing and experiencing in this country today! I'am glad that you Bro stand on the RIGHT side of history and will NEVER allow this nation to DISMISS or FORGET it's past contracts with the evil one! I'am amazed how some self proclaimed moral and decent men came to found this nation on principles, morals, and values that they DIDN'T practice themselves! And to think that they fled their countries because of oppression etc. and then landed on soil they didn't own and did the EXACT same thing to people that was done to them......INSANE! And some Americans can't understand "what goes around, comes around" "you reap what you sow" Galatians 6:1.10-Galatians 5:24-6:18, to bad some founders did some horrible sowing!
disHeartened On May 27, 2011

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#39New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 00:45:57
@ThePainefulTruth Said

Back then we had freedom which promotes ingenuity and enterprise, which benefits all but those who cash in on the success and talent of others--and the Depression provided them the perfect foot-in-the-door opportunity for the power mongers to move in on a national scale.

It was a perfect storm, that moment of weakness combined the country's original sins, racism and blind religious faith, to provide the socialists with all the moral high ground they needed to undermine the Constitution. 80 years later, it's in shreds, and the government schooled dumbed-down population is laid waste.

The America we want back is freedom, without the racism, and with, at least for me, a reasonable philosophical foundation.

But right now, we're fighting for our economic survival as a result of corrupt officials and a greedy population ripe for manipulation and demagoguery.



Having a little trouble with who 'we' and 'they' are supposed to be. I like to think 'we' are all in this together. And if 'back then' was supposed to be pre-1929 Depression, I understood that to be a time like now, when a few were ludicrously wealthy and the rest were fighting for their economic lives. And didn't that foot-in-the-door-for-the-powermongers bring us the social safety nets that kept the poor from starving and the elderly from freezing. Last thing: the only people really entitled to ask for their country back were here when Cortez, et al, arrived.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#40New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 02:41:38
@disHeartened Said

Having a little trouble with who 'we' and 'they' are supposed to be. I like to think 'we' are all in this together. And if 'back then' was supposed to be pre-1929 Depression, I understood that to be a time like now, when a few were ludicrously wealthy and the rest were fighting for their economic lives. And didn't that foot-in-the-door-for-the-powermongers bring us the social safety nets that kept the poor from starving and the elderly from freezing. Last thing: the only people really entitled to ask for their country back were here when Cortez, et al, arrived.


You are right, so one would think a republican or at least one well versed in conservatism would know a thing about history doomed to repeat itself!
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#41New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 03:42:04
@disHeartened Said

Having a little trouble with who 'we' and 'they' are supposed to be. I like to think 'we' are all in this together. And if 'back then' was supposed to be pre-1929 Depression, I understood that to be a time like now, when a few were ludicrously wealthy and the rest were fighting for their economic lives. And didn't that foot-in-the-door-for-the-powermongers bring us the social safety nets that kept the poor from starving and the elderly from freezing. Last thing: the only people really entitled to ask for their country back were here when Cortez, et al, arrived.



Right On!!!! Slam Dunk! You Nailed It!
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#42New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 03:46:14
@davii Said

What's it all about anyhoo?

I've got an impression of it being a group of middle class, right wing, white christians fearing a loss of power/control. Or something like that



You would be CORRECT then!
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
Verum est Deus


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#43New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 05:11:11
@disHeartened Said

Having a little trouble with who 'we' and 'they' are supposed to be. I like to think 'we' are all in this together.


We've always been divided between the wealthy and those suffering from wealth envy blaming every evil on the rich. At one point, before anti-trust laws and protection of the work force from dangerous working conditions and its own management, there was a very good argument against some of the wealthy. But the tables are turned. Government is the much larger home for corruption now.

The left works class warfare, demagoguing that everyone should have everything the rich have through redistribution of wealth, but all it does is keep the lower classes at the upper class's throats with the profits going to the elite ruling class composed mostly of socialist manipulators. If you want us to be as one again (pretty much) stop milking the class warfare and apologizing for the US to every two bit dictator and foreign audience that will listen--which is almost all of them.

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And if 'back then' was supposed to be pre-1929 Depression, I understood that to be a time like now, when a few were ludicrously wealthy and the rest were fighting for their economic lives.


Not PRE '29. And there have always been very wealthy people but their numbers have risen along with the success of the American economy, as have the quality of life of all classes. There are no "poor" in America. I've been in their free homes, arranged their free health care and seen every appliance, cars, landscaping, indoor plumbing, AC etc.

You want to see true poverty, take a look at 95% of the third world. They risk they lives to come here and be "poor", only they use the opportunity rather than become couch potatoes--many becoming wealthy themselves.


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And didn't that foot-in-the-door-for-the-powermongers bring us the social safety nets that kept the poor from starving and the elderly from freezing.


I've never argued against the truly needy, but they're a small percentage of the welfare state recipients.

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Last thing: the only people really entitled to ask for their country back were here when Cortez, et al, arrived.


Who? The so-called "first Americans" who took it away from the previous "first Americans"? Kind of an arbitrary line. It's the same thing as slavery. What're you gonna do, remember them for the moral history lessons they are....or keep a chip on your shoulder about it for the next (100, 500 1000, 10,000) years?
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
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#44New Post! Apr 18, 2011 @ 05:14:46
@Spinkiegirl Said

Hey, I love your siggy.....is that something from a quote or is it yours?


Thanks. It's from the Meat Loaf song by that name.
disHeartened On May 27, 2011

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#45New Post! Apr 19, 2011 @ 00:51:42
@ThePainefulTruth Said


The left works class warfare, demagoguing that everyone should have everything the rich have through redistribution of wealth, but all it does is keep the lower classes at the upper class's throats with the profits going to the elite ruling class composed mostly of socialist manipulators. If you want us to be as one again (pretty much) stop milking the class warfare and apologizing for the US to every two bit dictator and foreign audience that will listen--which is almost all of them.

Not PRE '29. And there have always been very wealthy people but their numbers have risen along with the success of the American economy, as have the quality of life of all classes. There are no "poor" in America. I've been in their free homes, arranged their free health care and seen every appliance, cars, landscaping, indoor plumbing, AC etc.

You want to see true poverty, take a look at 95% of the third world. They risk they lives to come here and be "poor", only they use the opportunity rather than become couch potatoes--many becoming wealthy themselves.

I've never argued against the truly needy, but they're a small percentage of the welfare state recipients.

Who? The so-called "first Americans" who took it away from the previous "first Americans"? Kind of an arbitrary line. It's the same thing as slavery. What're you gonna do, remember them for the moral history lessons they are....or keep a chip on your shoulder about it for the next (100, 500 1000, 10,000) years?


Good post. Please don't overstate my concerns about the wealthy. I have no objection to being wealthy. Wouldn't mind it myself. The concern comes in when the wealthy use the power associated with wealth to manipulate the system to their even greater advantage, like hiring lobbyists to gain more favorable tax benefits.

Accepting responsibility for your countries past mistakes does not automatically equate to apologizing. It does elevate our standing in the eyes of the world and allows us to expect the same from other nations.

Yes, there are those who exploit the safety net. I know some. But I'd rather let 9 people exploit the system than let one person starve. Conversely, preventing 9 wealthy people or corporations from exploiting the system will not have the same relative consequences for the one who is not.

And the last point, the objective was to point out the irony of people whose ancestors founded a country on land taken by force claiming they want their country back. The people that the Mayans took land from can take it up with the Mayans.
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