what is the biggest rubbish in religion

So you are saying that the bible contradicts itself and is flawed.

Intersting.

But on Timothy... 1st Timothy, a letter from Paul to Timothy... "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."

This passage, while NOT the words of Jesus, was a part of Christianity and remains a teaching in many Christian sects.... and is typically presented as Paul presenting the word of Jesus/God.

The bible does not make your that was then but this (gender equality) is now distinction. Some Christians use this sort of argument to suit their personal philosophy, but also ignore it when it doesn't suite their personal philosophy.

But Pauliine... yes, ultimately the teaching of Paul, NOT Jesus.

1st Timothy, a letter from Paul to Timothy... "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint."

E: Ahhh. those were the days....

E: Tim and Paul use to hang out together. After a hard day of Proselytizing they would kick off their sandals, throw back a couple of Morgen Davids and discuss theology. If you want to know what Paul's sales pitch you have to read Romans but to understand his theosphy his letters to Tim might be a good source.

So you want to talk abrahamic-based religion? How about the Ten Commandants that most followers never can seem to quite measure up to. Lets not forget the Quran version...the part about "As for the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands, but those who repent" that is especially cheerful. Then there is the Buddhist version which entails page after page of 'thou shalls' and 'thou shall nots' down to the minute detail of telling you what you can and cannot think.

Letting "you make up up your own mind"? R U serious? You either toll the party line or you get excommunicated, burned at the stake, shunned, stoned, beheaded, or whatever. Social control is all about forcing ones beliefs, ethics, morals, customs, or whatever on others, and has absolutely nothing to do with allowing others to make up their own mind.

I think we can all expect lying, cheating, stealing, and general hypocrisy from putrid politicians....its part of their job description and a required qualification of winning office. That does not therefore mean that we should hold police to the same lax standards we expect from the Mafia, just as it is unreasonable to judge religions by the same lax standards of Politics. If you want to be a Christian, or Jew, or Muslim, or Buddhist or whatever, then be one, but take off the blinders and rose-colored glasses...not everything about your chosen belief system is pristine and perfect, and in your best interests.

Alas we have this in all religions that I am aware of...and I am aware of many. Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism all indoctrinate the belief that too much negative Karma will cause some sort of spiritual Atavism that will cause one to be reborn a dung beetle (or similar nonsense). It was not always so. Once upon a time the doctrine of Karma and Reincarnation was simple common sense. The current interpretation can be blamed on the last Convocation of Rishis who were more inclined to social control than spiritual integrity.

What about the ten commandments? Jews have 600 Commands as well... known as Moses Law.
Jesus welded them all together with Love God, Love others, Love oneself. Not easy to do but puts a different spin on the "Thou shalt not"

If you respect (love) your neighbour you wounldn't want to get into his wife's pants.



You still in the dark ages - offering up f*ckwits using religion to push their own agenda. Burning at the stakes - what because someone got pissed off by some shiela and used "She a witch" to hurt her!!!

Sorry buddy, I don't 'tow the party line' and still welcome at the churches I attend... even asked to deliver the message.



I don't accept lying, cheating, etc from anyone. And actually I several politians who are there to represent their constituants - honestly. Amarica must have different standards tp Australia.

If you bothered to look you would notice that I'm quite happy to speak up about the stuff that has happened in the name of religion.

So no blinkers or coloured glasses here sunnyboy. The teachings of Jesus I follow. Not what any Mr Pope or some dude wearing a back to front collar. The 'three loves' are a good example.

Yes...

The Ten Commandments plus moral laws, social laws (regarding things like inheritance, marriage and divorce), food laws (on what is clean and unclean), purity laws ( on things like menstruation, seminal emissions...), Feasts, Instructions for the priesthood and the tabernacle, etc.... No effort to control people there.



No actually true. He didn't weld any of the laws together. He was a Jew and upheld Jewish law, all of them. Jesus specifically stated "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

He did sort of modify the first two commandments (which were actually about loving and worshipping god, not about some sort of universal love): “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’c 38This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

But he did not "meld" all of the commandments into just the idea of "Love God, Love others, Love oneself."

If he had, churches would not still be referring to the various OT passages that prohibit things like homosexuality.

You have such a lovely view of Jesus, but it isn't Christianity that you keep referencing in you posts. It is YOUR personal opinion and take away from the things in church that you've paid attention to. There is much that you ignore, or haven't paid attention to, in religion in general and Christianity directly.

No matter, carry on with the Love it is more valuable than Christian doctrine.

PS
Christianity is not "...a religion that has it's foundations on a guy who got crucified for promoting peace - love God, love others, love oneself..."

1. Jesus was not crucified for promoting peace and love. He was crucified because he was deemed a threat to the Jewish religious leaders of the time (and possibly to a lesser extent because Roman officials deemed him a trouble maker). The charge or allegation against Jesus was that he claimed to be the King of the Jews... the messiah of prophecy...etc. His crucifixion had nothing to do with his preaching love.

2. Additionally, the Christian church was not founded on this idea of universal love. The love part is only there in the same way good acts are there. First and foremost, in Christianity, one must acknowledge and accept Jesus as you savior, god and only path to heaven (aka everlasting life). That is the reason and message of Christianity. The love part is secondary. The idea is that if you 1st take Jesus as your savior, the love comes with it...is an out growth of it. The new testament specifically states that you CANNOT get into heaven based on acts, you can ONLY get to heaven by way of Jesus as your savior. So, you can have all the love in the worlds, for everyone in the world, but if you don't take Jesus as your savior, all that love is ultimately a waste of time. This is what Christianity was FOUNDED on.

Take a look at Scientology, no religion of any description going on there!!!! Just the ramblings of someone who was & is trying to make money!!They have NO Bible & the way the members are treated in many cases is obscene & yet they are seen as a religion!!! CRAZY!!

There is a lot of money to be made in saving souls.

No amount of money (or good deeds) will or can save souls its down to each individual. L Ron Hubbard definitely has no paddle neither does David Miscavidge!!

I have started my own religion. As founder of Erimitism I will receive a tything of 10% of each followers income and each follower who converts an initiate to Erimitism will receive 10% of that followers income, keep 90% for themselves and pass on the remaining 10% to me (and so on). The best part of erimitism is that you can believe whatever you want.

I plan on using the money I get to build a prayer tower, probably in Hawaii.

Praise be unto whatever you want to praise... Amen

Please explain.

Hubbard was the founder & Miscavige maneuvered his way into control after he passed. Scientologist have a "chart" called "The Bridge" which to move upwards in ranking you have to complete many courses. To do this it costs huge amounts of money and at any time they can tell you that some "new material" has been found so you have to go back to the beginning & start again!! So the organization benefits financially BUT the "member" does not. If your husband/wife/kids become an 'enemy' of scientology you are expected to disconnect from them (have nothing to do with them at all). If you are found to have broken that you can expect the same treatment. They also lock people away in rooms with guards, no a/c for months at an end. The inmates are told to lick the dirt floor clean with there tongues. People can also be physically attacked. If you escape (literally) you leave with nothing!

The village where I live has a library. In that library Scientology books are in the fiction section.

Good but they really belong in the trash!!