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alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#32New Post! Oct 10, 2015 @ 01:54:11
@chaski Said

Does it need to?



Depends. Is it important to you to keep guns out of the hands of people who might kill themselves? It is to me.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#34New Post! Oct 10, 2015 @ 10:51:59
@bobbimay Said

assisted suicide....90 year old man.. 90 year old wife dieing of cancer..in pain all the time..?


Yes....good one...act of love.

@bobbimay Said

man makes to decision to shoot his wife to help her out of her pain....act of love ..or just crazy???


Welll....act of love until the nan decides to violently kill his wife when there are less violent and less painful ways.... shooting wife in head.... I'd say crazy.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#35New Post! Oct 10, 2015 @ 11:06:06
@alk1975 Said

OCD doesn't produce dangerous people. The opposite actually.
Most depressed people are more dangerous to themselves than anyone else, and still greater, most depressed people aren't even a danger to themselves.
delusions of grandeur is a symptom, a single criteria that must be combined with other criteria before you reach a diagnosable disorder. Also, this is the only thing you listed that would be classified as psychosis. You seem not to know what constitutes psychosis. Inferiority complexes are also a symptom which would need to be combined with additional symptoms to constitute a diagnosable condition.



sociopath isn't an actual diagnosis. More like a commonly used term to define anti-social personality disorder. It also would be addressed most easily with the test I proposed be given to those who wish to purchase a gun. Borderline personality disorder is mostly associated with self harm "cutting", but also frequent threats of suicide, for which many are most happy to be hospitalized. People with schizophrenia almost never commit violent crimes. That is probably the most misunderstood mental illness there is, and posts such as this help to spread those misconceptions.



Temporary insanity is a legal term and not one that would constitute a diagnosis. It is defined as this

Therefore, people can be passionately angry, and not insane. A person can be greedy (murder the older brother so that one becomes the heir, for example) and not be insane.

A mafia hitman was likely anti-social. Not necessarily though. Most mass shooters have the combination that you ironically missed. Narcissistic personality disorder and anti-social personality disorder. But they don't seek out mental health services. They don't see anything wrong with their behavior. I'm not saying that people with mental illness don't commit crimes, only that it is not a necessary element. It takes but one exception to your rule to prove your rule wrong, and you can't possible prove it correct, as you would have to perform mental capacity tests on every violent criminal ever.



Most of that is just playing with and picking at words and terms, most of which actually support my opinion.

I suppose we could shift to a set of terms taken straight from The Mental Health Desk Reference, but this more of public forum than a mental health professional's forum (don't get me wrong, I love correct definitions).

"Therefore, people can be passionately angry, and not insane." Is really the closest you came to an argument that people who murder others are not on some level "insane" at the time of the murder. But, at the moment of the "passion" that results in the murder, I still think that the person's mental state is abnormal and could be viewed as "insane"....and I am not talking about legal terms and definitions.

But, maybe I am wrong. Perhaps you could explain how that moment of "passion" that is go intense at which one person kills another is actually a normal state of mind.... being angry and not committing violence vs being angry and killing someone.... ....maybe it is just our natural state that evolved over millions of years...
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#36New Post! Oct 10, 2015 @ 11:39:06
Brief psychotic disorder

Hmmmm....this one if fun...and "insanity" that is "temporary"...

Brief psychotic disorder with obvious stressor (also called brief reactive psychosis):

This type occurs shortly after and often in response to a trauma or major stress, such as the death of a loved one, an accident, assault, or a natural disaster. Most cases of brief psychotic disorder occur as a reaction to a very disturbing event.



twilitezone911 On March 25, 2019




Saint Louis, Missouri
#37New Post! Oct 10, 2015 @ 14:40:43
people who has mental illness, sometimes aren't aware they have. sometimes doctors aren't aware in their patients, if they can see their behaviors or in their blood works. sometimes, people have violent outburst or violence crimes without even knowing they have mental illness. if violent is happen, they just want to do it, and they are rational about it. it doesn't means all way link to mental illness.

followers of cult or terrorist groups looking a cause to believe in. they believe in the leader he or she is listening to you. with teenagers , who are trying to fit in a peer group, probably fall into a terrorist group.

I don't think everybody is Charles mason ( he was my babysister was a kid, and look at me! ) know he is crackers. there is a lot of reasons to stick to a person of violent crimes not always to with mental illness.
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#38New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 00:18:59
@chaski Said

Most of that is just playing with and picking at words and terms, most of which actually support my opinion.

I suppose we could shift to a set of terms taken straight from The Mental Health Desk Reference, but this more of public forum than a mental health professional's forum (don't get me wrong, I love correct definitions).

"Therefore, people can be passionately angry, and not insane." Is really the closest you came to an argument that people who murder others are not on some level "insane" at the time of the murder. But, at the moment of the "passion" that results in the murder, I still think that the person's mental state is abnormal and could be viewed as "insane"....and I am not talking about legal terms and definitions.

But, maybe I am wrong. Perhaps you could explain how that moment of "passion" that is go intense at which one person kills another is actually a normal state of mind.... being angry and not committing violence vs being angry and killing someone.... ....maybe it is just our natural state that evolved over millions of years...


I'm a mental health professional. To me it's as important as not confusing a cyst with cancer or a sugar overload with diabetes.
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#39New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 00:21:34
@chaski Said

Most of that is just playing with and picking at words and terms, most of which actually support my opinion.

I suppose we could shift to a set of terms taken straight from The Mental Health Desk Reference, but this more of public forum than a mental health professional's forum (don't get me wrong, I love correct definitions).

"Therefore, people can be passionately angry, and not insane." Is really the closest you came to an argument that people who murder others are not on some level "insane" at the time of the murder. But, at the moment of the "passion" that results in the murder, I still think that the person's mental state is abnormal and could be viewed as "insane"....and I am not talking about legal terms and definitions.

But, maybe I am wrong. Perhaps you could explain how that moment of "passion" that is go intense at which one person kills another is actually a normal state of mind.... being angry and not committing violence vs being angry and killing someone.... ....maybe it is just our natural state that evolved over millions of years...


Why don't we just excuse anyone for anything they did while angry, then, instead of maybe expecting people to manage their emotions. Let me be a little more clear. Insanity is a legal defense. It's basically saying the person wasn't responsible for their behavior. Is that where you want to go with this?
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#40New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 00:22:48
@chaski Said

Brief psychotic disorder

Hmmmm....this one if fun...and "insanity" that is "temporary"...

Brief psychotic disorder with obvious stressor (also called brief reactive psychosis):

This type occurs shortly after and often in response to a trauma or major stress, such as the death of a loved one, an accident, assault, or a natural disaster. Most cases of brief psychotic disorder occur as a reaction to a very disturbing event.





Do you know what a psychotic disorder is? It's not an altered mood state.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#41New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 02:05:35
@alk1975 Said

Do you know what a psychotic disorder is? It's not an altered mood state.





Really...are you sure?

The term mood describes a pervasive and sustained emotional state that may affect all aspects of an individual’s life and perceptions. Mood disorders are pathologically elevated or depressed disturbances of mood, and include full or partial episodes of depression or mania.

That, from a mental diagnosis set of definitions, would tend to suggest that you are mistaken....

chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#42New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 02:06:33
@alk1975 Said

Why don't we just excuse anyone for anything they did while angry..



Why would we "excuse anyone for anything they did"?

I certainly never suggested that....did you?
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#43New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 02:09:01
@alk1975 Said

I'm a mental health professional.


Really?

Then what does a "cyst" or cancer have to do with a sugar diabetes overload....and what does that have to do with whether or not a person is "mentally" off when if and when they commit murder?
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#44New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 16:25:53
Really? Ok, feeling like I'm not going to be ale to speak in a way that you will hear, regardless of where the disconnect is. I recall feeling done talking to you when I was here before and I think I'm going to hold to that. I don't particularly feel like you and I speak the same language most of the time.
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#45New Post! Oct 11, 2015 @ 16:26:42
@chaski Said



Really...are you sure?

The term mood describes a pervasive and sustained emotional state that may affect all aspects of an individual’s life and perceptions. Mood disorders are pathologically elevated or depressed disturbances of mood, and include full or partial episodes of depression or mania.

That, from a mental diagnosis set of definitions, would tend to suggest that you are mistaken....


Psychosis has a specific definition.
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