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Erimitus
| Is the murder of an innocent child ethically wrong? |
gakINGKONG
| It depends. If the system of ethics allows for the killing of an innocent child, then that act would not be unethical.
The point here is that "ethics" could be anything.
I live in a country which historically frowns upon such thing and I'm happy this is so. |
Erimitus
| @GAKingKong Said
It depends. If the system of ethics allows for the killing of an innocent child, then that act would not be unethical.
The point here is that "ethics" could be anything.
I live in a country which historically frowns upon such thing and I'm happy this is so.
That which is (or is NOT) ethical is dependent on contemporary regional standards. Good point. Thank you. |
newcarscent7
| My mistake. In that case, I agree with the former. |
bob_the_fisherman
Anatidaephobic
| @Erimitus Said
Is the murder of an innocent child ethically wrong?
Taking that statement on face value you would probably argue yes, it is always ethically wrong to murder a child, in that murder is generally used in relation to someone committing a specific form of crime.
If you asked is it always ethically wrong to kill an innocent child the answer may well be different. |
Erimitus
| @bob_the_fisherman Said
Taking that statement on face value you would probably argue yes, it is always ethically wrong to murder a child, in that murder is generally used in relation to someone committing a specific form of crime.
If you asked is it always ethically wrong to kill an innocent child the answer may well be different.
Murder is a crime
Crimes are ethically wrong
Murder is ethically wrong.
There are laws
Not following the law is a crime
Crimes are ethically wrong
Here comes the but...
But laws can be ethically wrong
Not obeying an ethically wrong law would be ethical yet a crime.
and so on... |
Erimitus
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When I started this thread I was thinking of Abraham and his boy and wondering why God would ask Abe to do something unethical like murder. |
Erimitus
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In this context I have been thinking of fear and respect as having the same meaning.
It is only through fear that one can find loyalty.
It is only through respect that one can find loyalty.
Yet God (as I understand it) wants Love.
EB: If you fear the power of God so much as to murder your child
then God can rest easy that there won't be any co-operation issues.
E: So (if I understand you correctly) God was testing Abraham had.
E: Assuming Abraham had free will; it could be that God (though omniscient) did not know what Abe was going to do. If God did know what Abraham was going to do then the whole exercise was pointless.
EB: While other examples sound like an organization was using brainwashing to submit the small society around them into a Totalitarian situation.
E: Well yeah. (I believe) whole point of the bible was to maintain the master slave status quo by having an omniscient, omnipresent God to be loved, feared and respected.
E: What do you think? |
bob_the_fisherman
Anatidaephobic
| @Erimitus Said
Murder is a crime
Crimes are ethically wrong
Murder is ethically wrong.
There are laws
Not following the law is a crime
Crimes are ethically wrong
Here comes the but...
But laws can be ethically wrong
Not obeying an ethically wrong law would be ethical yet a crime.
and so on...
Disobeying a bad law is ethically right, simply because morally praiseworthy behaviour does not take account of opprobrium that right action entails.
However, not all laws are ethically wrong.
In the case of murder for example, murder implies the taking of an innocent life without justification. As a rule this would be considered an ethically wrong act. An ethically good act would be one that increasees overall good, or, decreases overall harm, or, is an act that we would want all people to follow at all times or something similar. Killing innocent people for no reason is not generally considered a good. |
Erimitus
| @bob_the_fisherman Said
Disobeying a bad law is ethically right, simply because morally praiseworthy behaviour does not take account of opprobrium that right action entails.
However, not all laws are ethically wrong.
In the case of murder for example, murder implies the taking of an innocent life without justification. As a rule this would be considered an ethically wrong act. An ethically good act would be one that increasees overall good, or, decreases overall harm, or, is an act that we would want all people to follow at all times or something similar. Killing innocent people for no reason is not generally considered a good.
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