Is needlessly sacrificing your child, as God did, child abuse and murder?

@GreatestIam2 Said

We are talking of Jesus in this case.

I do agree that he was not innocent and was a sinner like all of us. That is scripture.

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DL

@NVIIIX1 Said

What was his crime?

@GreatestIam2 Said

We are talking of Jesus in this case.

I do agree that he was not innocent and was a sinner like all of us. That is scripture.

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DL

@GreatestIam2 Said

There were a number of sins. Disobedience for sure if you believe the bible.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

He, like all other humans would have also had the original sin.

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DL

@Cpat92 Said

If you would like to be technical, it was Jesus' mission to save us. That was the only way to save us from going through what many went through in the Old Testament. .

@NVIIIX1 Said

Sins?

Mathew 3:17 shows us God himself spoke on behalf of Jesus

“This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

@dookie Said

The majority of Biblical scholars after more than 200 years of on-going study, have come to the conclusion that the text we now have of the NT represents very divergent views of the Historical Jesus. That there never was just one understanding shared by all the early Christians.

One example often given are the "seven words from the cross". Those who insist that the NT gives but one "orthodox" message that "should be believed" are left with a composite picture of a Jesus who must have said all seven. In fact, each must be understood in the context of the Gospels they are recorded in. Each gives a differing picture.

All this is NOT NECESSARILY to destroy faith.

Alas, we then had the emergence of the Church which sought for various reasons to impose an "orthdoxy" upon all.......leading to the horrors f the Inquisition. Then we had the declaration of "Sola Scriptura" of the Reformation which led to the claim that the NT has but one message, and that all the various books could in fact be reconciled with each other if "understood by the spirit". The proof of the pudding is of course in the eating. We now have over 1000 denominations each claiming "understanding."

This all points - at least to me - that there is the Living Word which speaks to each of us, and we have the word as text which can be used for whatever purpose our own conditioning will impose upon it, and further, seek to impose upon others.

@GreatestIam2 Said

You understand the history accurately.

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DL

@Cpat92 Said

You don't.

@GreatestIam2 Said

What was the point of that quote. The issue is sin. Not God's inflated pride. Another sin.

Have your children sinned? Are you proud of them?

What was your point again?

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DL

@NVIIIX1 Said

Essentially, sin means infraction against another person and unless otherwise specified we mean infraction against God.

If Jesus had sinned against God, as the scriptures positively state he didn't do, then his sacrifice wouldn't have counted. 1 Peter 1:19 states “It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.”

Also, it is quite impossible for God to have an inflated sense of ego or pride. Those who would accuse Him do so falsely and they bring scorn upon their own heads.

@NVIIIX1 Said

Essentially, sin means infraction against another person and unless otherwise specified we mean infraction against God.

If Jesus had sinned against God, as the scriptures positively state he didn't do, then his sacrifice wouldn't have counted. 1 Peter 1:19 states “It was the precious blood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.”

Also, it is quite impossible for God to have an inflated sense of ego or pride. Those who would accuse Him do so falsely and they bring scorn upon their own heads.

@GreatestIam2 Said

You shall place no one above me puts scorn exactly where it belongs. On God.

If his is not an inflated sense of pride, then what would you call it?

Certainly not humility.

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DL