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miracle3x On January 28, 2009




Radcliff, Kentucky
#1New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 19:07:53
I'm just catching this on the news. I'm going to try and find a link.


8 year old boy kills, I think 2 ppl, one being his father.
miracle3x On January 28, 2009




Radcliff, Kentucky
#2New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 19:11:10
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/11/07/2008-11-07_arizona_boy_8_accused_of_killing_two_inc-1.html




Arizona boy, 8, accused of killing two, including dad

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Updated Saturday, November 8th 2008, 11:37 AM
A child holding a gun. An 8-year-old boy in a small Arizona town has been charged with killing his father and another man. Ishtayeh/AP

A child holding a gun. An 8-year-old boy in a small Arizona town has been charged with killing his father and another man.

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. - It's a crime that police officers in a small eastern Arizona community can hardly fathom yet have to deal with: an 8-year-old charged in the fatal shootings of his father and another man.

"Who would think an 8-year-old kid could kill two adults?" St. Johns Police Chief Roy Melnick said Friday.

The killings on Wednesday sent shock waves through St. Johns, a community of about 4,000 people. The boy had no disciplinary record at school, and there was no indication he had any problems at home, prosecutors said.

"It was such a tragedy," said the boy's defense attorney, Benjamin Brewer. "You have two people dead; you have an 8-year-old in jail. It tugs at the heart strings. It's a shocker, no doubt about it."

On Friday, a judge determined there was probable cause to show that the boy fatally shot his father, Vincent Romero, 29, and Timothy Romans, 39, of San Carlos, with a .22-caliber rifle. The boy faces two counts of premeditated murder. Under Arizona law, charges can be filed against anyone 8 or older.

Melnick said the boy didn't act on the "spur of the moment," though he didn't elaborate on what the motive might have been.

Melnick said officers arrived at Romero's home within minutes of the shooting Wednesday. They found one victim just outside the front door and the other dead in an upstairs room.

Romans had been renting a room at the Romero house, prosecutors said. Both men were employees of a construction company working at a Salt River Project power plant near St. Johns, which is about 170 miles northeast of Phoenix.

The boy went to a neighbor's house and said he "believed that his father was dead," said Apache County attorney Brad Carlyon.

Melnick said police obtained a confession from the boy, but Brewer said police overreached in questioning the boy without representation from a parent or attorney and did not advise him of his rights.

"They became very accusing early on in the interview," Brewer said. "Two officers with guns at their side, it's very scary for anybody, for sure an 8-year-old kid."

A judge ordered a psychological evaluation of the boy, who was being held at the Apache County juvenile detention center.

Prosecutors aren't sure where the case is headed, Carlyon said.

"There's a ton of factors to be considered and weighed, including the juvenile's age," he said. "The counter balance against that, the acts that he apparently committed."

Carlyon said the boy had no record of complaints with Arizona Child Protective Services.

"He had no record of any kind, not even a disciplinary record at school," he said. "He has never been in trouble before."

City Manager Greg Martin said the community was "saddened" and "shocked."

"Not something that happens very often and hopefully never happens again," he said. "It's been on their minds every since it happened."

FBI statistics show instances of children younger than 11 committing homicides are very rare. According to recent FBI supplementary homicide reports, there were at least three such cases each year in 2003, 2004 and 2005; there were at least 15 in 2002. More recent statistics weren't available, nor were details of the cases.

Earlier this year in Arizona, prosecutors in Cochise County filed first-degree murder charges against a 12-year-old boy accused of killing his mother.

Defense attorney Mike Piccarreta, who is not involved in the latest case, said each case has to be considered on its own merits, but it would be hard for him to comprehend that an 8-year-old has the mental capacity to understand the act of murder and its implications.

"If they actually prosecute the guy, it's a legal minefield," he said. "And, two, society has to make a decision as to whether they want to start using the criminal justice system to deal with 8-year-olds. That doesn't mean you don't have a troubled kid."

Wednesday's homicides were the first in at least four years in the community, where most people know one another, Melnick said. No one else had been killed there since 20 years ago, he said.

Romero had full custody of the child. The boy's biological mother visited St. Johns during the weekend from Mississippi, and returned to Arizona after the shootings, Carlyon said.

Brewer said the boy "seems to be in good spirits.

"He's scared," he said. "He's trying to be tough, but he's scared."
Krakatoa On November 25, 2009




1 hr from montreal, Canada
#3New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 19:18:09
I just heard that story myself to on msnbc,

It is hard to believe, but it is true!!! there must be a reason, and premeditated wow, i am surprised, we will probably know more later on soon, i am very anxious to know what happen and why, very strange, and sad...

Krakatoa.
lilbear On January 18, 2010
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#4New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 19:36:37
If he's that young and he premeditated the murder, then you can bet something was going on that goes way deeper than we are hearing........
rider On September 28, 2009

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The first one, Australia
#5New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 19:44:45
It's almost impossible to believe an 8 yr old would think of doing it,but here we have the proof..........what makes an 8 yr old think that way??????
not4sale On May 28, 2010

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Melbourne, Australia
#6New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 19:45:18
That's what happens when you don't let your kid have dessert. Or any form of punishment.
cGobla On March 15, 2018




Polcenigo, Italy
#7New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:05:38
@not4sale Said

That's what happens when you don't let your kid have dessert. Or any form of punishment.



So far they said there are no indications of an abusive situation. I think the kid is a sociopath. IMO that is the only way I can see an 8 year old killing 2 men.
not4sale On May 28, 2010

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Melbourne, Australia
#8New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:14:38
@cGobla Said

So far they said there are no indications of an abusive situation. I think the kid is a sociopath. IMO that is the only way I can see an 8 year old killing 2 men.



Exactly. They didn't give him any punishments.
Asme251 On December 21, 2017
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Boston, Massachusetts
#9New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:16:04
I think he actually do it ; he was not advised of his rights at the time of his interrogation and he seemed to have been pressured:
" Melnick said police obtained a confession from the boy, but Brewer said police overreached in questioning the boy without representation from a parent or attorney and did not advise him of his rights.

"They became very accusing early on in the interview," Brewer said. "Two officers with guns at their side, it's very scary for anybody, for sure an 8-year-old kid.""
cGobla On March 15, 2018




Polcenigo, Italy
#10New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:19:36
@not4sale Said

Exactly. They didn't give him any punishments.



who says they didn't give him any punishments?
not4sale On May 28, 2010

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Melbourne, Australia
#11New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:21:56
@cGobla Said

who says they didn't give him any punishments?


Why would you murder someone without anything to gain unless you thought you could do as you pleased. Not that people doing as they please bothers me. I'm a cowboy.
cGobla On March 15, 2018




Polcenigo, Italy
#12New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:28:12
@not4sale Said

Why would you murder someone without anything to gain unless you thought you could do as you pleased. Not that people doing as they please bothers me. I'm a cowboy.



Cause the kid is a sociopath. Well they aren't saying that but that is what I believe. there are plenty of children who are not disciplined, that alone is not gonna make a kid kill 2 people. I read these murder books all the time it is a series about a homicide detective. Anyways some of the murderers in the book I think 'no one in real life would do something like that' and then I hear a story very similar to what is in the book. one of the stories was about a 10 year old girl who killed her teacher. she was a sociopath. I know its a book but it is very realistic as far as human nature.
not4sale On May 28, 2010

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Melbourne, Australia
#13New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:31:30
@cGobla Said

Cause the kid is a sociopath. Well they aren't saying that but that is what I believe. there are plenty of children who are not disciplined, that alone is not gonna make a kid kill 2 people. I read these murder books all the time it is a serious about a homicide detective. Anyways some of the murderers in the book I think 'no one in real life would do something like that' and then I hear a story very similar to what is in the book. on of the stories was about a 10 year old girl who killed her teacher. she was a sociopath. I know its a book but it is very realistic as far as human nature.


To be fair, you don't have to be a sociopath to kill your teacher. Teachers can be annoying. I've only had a few teachers I haven't wanted to kill.
cGobla On March 15, 2018




Polcenigo, Italy
#14New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:35:04
@not4sale Said

To be fair, you don't have to be a sociopath to kill your teacher. Teachers can be annoying. I've only had a few teachers I haven't wanted to kill.



but you didn't kill them. This was premeditated he had plenty of time to shift it through his conscience and figure out if it was be a bad thing to do or not.
not4sale On May 28, 2010

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Melbourne, Australia
#15New Post! Nov 08, 2008 @ 20:41:13
@cGobla Said

but you didn't kill them. This was premeditated he had plenty of time to shift it through his conscience and figure out if it was be a bad thing to do or not.


I didn't have a reasonable enough opportunity to kill them and get away with it.
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