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crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#61New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 21:30:10
@Spinkiegirl Said

That's easy....the same way I feel about people who are on govt. asst. that don't belong on it! Still doesn't change the fact that I am pro-life, but believe the govt. as no right to tell anyone what they can and can't do with there body!


So then you agree with other pro-lifers. Tax dollars shouldn't be going to Planned Parenthood to fund abortions.
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#62New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 21:36:38
@kebab_boy Said

Oh, and one other thing, being pro-life doesn't mean you hate women because some women are pro-life themselves and tell other women what they can and can't do with their bodies!



That may be true, I don't know.......what I do KNOW is......this (me) "pro-lifer" would NEVER tell ANY woman, what she should or shouldn't do with her body! That's NOT my call to make!
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#63New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 21:46:53
@crazylikeafox Said

So then you agree with other pro-lifers. Tax dollars shouldn't be going to Planned Parenthood to fund abortions.



NO....I DON'T "agree" with any pro-lifers that thinks it's ok to govern or support the U.S. govt. interfering in a woman's right to do what they want with their bodies! I'am STRONGLY opposed to abortions! And i'am STRONGLY opposed to paying for something like abortion with my hard earned tax dollars! I think abortion is murder....but that just MY opinion and belief! At the same time.....what can I as a tax payer do, to stop any woman from having an abortion? I can tell her why "I" believe it's wrong......but i'am a Christian, and believe God will judge ALL when the time comes.
boxerdc On December 18, 2012

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#64New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 21:51:08
@crazylikeafox Said

So then you agree with other pro-lifers. Tax dollars shouldn't be going to Planned Parenthood to fund abortions.



@Spinkiegirl Said

NO....I DON'T "agree" with any pro-lifers that thinks it's ok to govern or support the U.S. govt. interfering in a woman's right to do what they want with their bodies! I'am STRONGLY opposed to abortions! And i'am STRONGLY opposed to paying for something like abortion with my hard earned tax dollars! I think abortion is murder....but that just MY opinion and belief! At the same time.....what can I as a tax payer do, to stop any woman from having an abortion? I can tell her why "I" believe it's wrong......but i'am a Christian, and believe God will judge ALL when the time comes.


It would seem that Spinkie understands the separation of church and state issue better than most conservatives.

You can be against something on personal or religious grounds, but that doesn't mean that it should be law. I guess it comes down to respect for all people, even if they make decisions that you don't agree with for whatever personal reason.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#65New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 22:07:39
Lol, there are better ways to fight the abuse of the welfare system.
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#66New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 22:59:34
@boxerdc Said

It would seem that Spinkie understands the separation of church and state issue better than most conservatives.

You can be against something on personal or religious grounds, but that doesn't mean that it should be law. I guess it comes down to respect for all people, even if they make decisions that you don't agree with for whatever personal reason.



Thanks, i'll take that! I certainly DO understand "the separation of church and state" isn't that in our founding documents? And you are absolutely correct about me! My question is, why don't alot of other Americans get it? Leave me and your religious beliefs out of my life! That way, everyone wins! Just look at how many gay Americans are unfairly SUFFERING because of someone else's beliefs! It's CRAZY!!!
Spinkiegirl On August 18, 2018




Chicago, Illinois
#67New Post! Mar 20, 2011 @ 23:07:39
@boxerdc Said

It would seem that Spinkie understands the separation of church and state issue better than most conservatives.

You can be against something on personal or religious grounds, but that doesn't mean that it should be law. I guess it comes down to respect for all people, even if they make decisions that you don't agree with for whatever personal reason.



As a matter of fact......what is the deal with "separation of church and state?" I mean if it's the law, or it's in our founding documents, written and signed by our respected founders, why are we as a nation, NOT honoring and practicing those words? Anyone!!
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#68New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 02:33:31
Because it is not in those documents that people think it is in. It is in I believe one of the Federalist papers and written by Thomas Jefferson that the purpose of the documents is to build a wall of separation between the church and the state, but the age old conservative argument is that it's not in the constitution or the declaration of independence, therefore it doesn't count. The truth is, the entire language of those documents was meant to build that wall, but there is a segment of the population that wishes for a one way mirror instead. Keep the government out of their beliefs, but found all of the laws on their beliefs, which of course interferes with religious beliefs that differ from "the" group on which the laws are based, but then some one says freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion and they actually think that they have managed to support freedom of religion. They fail to realize that the reason that freedom OF religion was so important in the first place is because the people came from a places with a government endorsed religion and laws were based on that religion which interfered with all the other religions and created the need to leave. What we essentially have done is turned into and pushed for the very thing we were running from when we founded this great nation.
alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#69New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 02:40:06
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Separation of Church and State - The Metaphor and the Constitution
"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business.

The constitution states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Both the free exercise clause and the establishment clause place restrictions on the government concerning laws they pass or interfering with religion. No restrictions are placed on religions except perhaps that a religious denomination cannot become the state religion.

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alk1975 On August 11, 2016




Jackson, Missouri
#70New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 02:45:27
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To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed)
Th Jefferson
Jeffersons letter plus explanation
crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#71New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 07:27:34
@Spinkiegirl Said

NO....I DON'T "agree" with any pro-lifers that thinks it's ok to govern or support the U.S. govt. interfering in a woman's right to do what they want with their bodies! I'am STRONGLY opposed to abortions! And i'am STRONGLY opposed to paying for something like abortion with my hard earned tax dollars! I think abortion is murder....but that just MY opinion and belief! At the same time.....what can I as a tax payer do, to stop any woman from having an abortion? I can tell her why "I" believe it's wrong......but i'am a Christian, and believe God will judge ALL when the time comes.


So like I said you agree with them. Tax dollars shouldn't be going towards a major abortion provider like Planned Parenthood.
boxerdc On December 18, 2012

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#72New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 10:33:45
@crazylikeafox Said

So like I said you agree with them. Tax dollars shouldn't be going towards a major abortion provider like Planned Parenthood.


My tax dollars should not be going to fund a country that does not offer me equal rights.. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't pay taxes or that the country should be defunded, it simply means that I have to fight to get equal rights.

Just like women fought for the right to have an abortion. And won that right. Now, get over it.

If you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one. If you don't like Planned Parenthood, then don't use their services.

I don't like the VA hospitals, and I don't use them even though I am eligible.. And my taxes still go to fund them, even though I don't like them and would never use them. Just because I don't like something, doesn't mean that I expect it to go away.

There's room for more than one opinion, and more than one way of doing things in America.. but conservatives seem to have forgotten that.
crazylikeafox On June 02, 2017




McKinney, Texas
#73New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 20:20:48
@boxerdc Said

My tax dollars should not be going to fund a country that does not offer me equal rights.. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't pay taxes or that the country should be defunded, it simply means that I have to fight to get equal rights.


There's a couple problems with this analogy. 1, there's a huge difference between paying taxes to a country and having those taxes go towards particular organizations. 2, the investors to demand where the money goes. Abortion, as you know, is highly controversial. As such, it really makes no sense for the government to fund it. Besides, if there was a Government program funding a private organization with the purpose of denying you equal rights, I'm willing to bet you'd be fighting to defund that organization.

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If you don't agree with abortion, then don't get one. If you don't like Planned Parenthood, then don't use their services.


I won't have an abortion and don't use Planned Parenthood. I find it repulsive and want nothing to do with it. Why then, am I expected to happily give my tax dollars to abortion providers like Planned Parenthood? You can't just tell me don't use their services, but then make me give them funding. You surely have to understand the objections to this.

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There's room for more than one opinion, and more than one way of doing things in America.. but conservatives seem to have forgotten that.


Oh, spare us that holier-than-thou nonsense. Of course there's room for more than 1 opinion, but don't pretend Liberals don't forget that too. In fact, should you really even be making such a judgment, considering you just posted a long post declaring the Supreme Court made their decision therefore we have no right complaining about it?
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#74New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 20:26:51
Well, these days citizens are just "potential criminals" such that the damn Gov'ts can then fine (with tickes, fees and fines) in order to raise money for themselves!!!
Nickwstp On February 07, 2022




Area X, Iraq
#75New Post! Mar 21, 2011 @ 21:12:49
A little embarrassed to be from Mn right now...
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