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Rudy1 On September 13, 2010




Melbourne, Australia
#1New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 06:31:45
I live here in Australia where jail sentences handed to criminals are a joke. The whole world must be laughing at us. Our magistrates live in some fairland and are totally out of touch with reality. For instance, a person can commit murder and, with good behaviour, be out of jail again in five years. Often series offenders who commit other violent crimes receive only community work. Other crimes too get only slap-on-the-wrist sentences, leaving victims and/or their families feeling let down and betrayed by an out of touch legal system. What are your thoughts on this, and what kind of punishments are handed out in your countries to criminals?
foosyerdoos On March 10, 2015




Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 07:06:11
@Rudy1 Said

I live here in Australia where jail sentences handed to criminals are a joke. The whole world must be laughing at us. Our magistrates live in some fairland and are totally out of touch with reality. For instance, a person can commit murder and, with good behaviour, be out of jail again in five years. Often series offenders who commit other violent crimes receive only community work. Other crimes too get only slap-on-the-wrist sentences, leaving victims and/or their families feeling let down and betrayed by an out of touch legal system. What are your thoughts on this, and what kind of punishments are handed out in your countries to criminals?





I just checked the stats for average lengh of imprisonment imposed for homicide in your part of the world. The average term for murder is 19 years 1 month, the average for manslaughter is 6 years 11 months. That would seem to be on a par with the UK. I am not saying that is long enough, just that there seems to be a big discrepancy in what you say the sentence is! Are you speaking about murder or manslaughter?
Rudy1 On September 13, 2010




Melbourne, Australia
#3New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 07:30:34
Nobody does 19 years for murder in this country - at least not in most cases. Your stats source might have said otherwise, but the reality is far different.
foosyerdoos On March 10, 2015




Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 07:35:07
@Rudy1 Said

Nobody does 19 years for murder in this country - at least not in most cases. Your stats source might have said otherwise, but the reality is far different.




I just say what I see!
https://www.sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/33bf10004056a916aaf4bae505682c73/Homicide_in_Victoria.pdf?MOD=AJPERES
Rudy1 On September 13, 2010




Melbourne, Australia
#5New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 07:48:12
Not to worry. I've just done a quick scan of the Net and in parts of Australia a murderer can be paroled in 10 years. It's up to the magistrate. I have encountered cases where people have gotten out in less than 10 years. I just wonder what the taking of a human life should receive in the way of a just penalty.
On the other hand, the killing of a policeman is given a sentence of 25 years, etc
foosyerdoos On March 10, 2015




Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 07:57:25
@Rudy1 Said

Not to worry. I've just done a quick scan of the Net and in parts of Australia a murderer can be paroled in 10 years. It's up to the magistrate. I have encountered cases where people have gotten out in less than 10 years. I just wonder what the taking of a human life should receive in the way of a just penalty.
On the other hand, the killing of a policeman is given a sentence of 25 years, etc



I tend to think that sentencing is to light most of the time. And I can never figure out why one life is worth more tha another.
I think one complication in Australia is that some states have mandatory sentencing terms while others don't! It doesn't seem to make for an even playing field.
Yodogs On December 26, 2023




Sturgis, South Dakota
#7New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 08:20:35
wait...


if all your talking about is murder, what about sodemy?
how much time do you get 4 that?
x_Laura_x On April 02, 2024




Nowhere, United Kingdom
#8New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 08:24:49
Well "life" should mean "life".

No getting out 10 years early, 5 years early for "good behaviour" - people that get life sentences should be rotting in jail. They shouldn't be walking free on the streets.

And in case anyone asks - no, I don't believe murderers, paedophiles and the like can be rehabilitated.
Yodogs On December 26, 2023




Sturgis, South Dakota
#9New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 08:41:31
@x_Laura_x Said

Well "life" should mean "life".

No getting out 10 years early, 5 years early for "good behaviour" - people that get life sentences should be rotting in jail. They shouldn't be walking free on the streets.

And in case anyone asks - no, I don't believe murderers, paedophiles and the like can be rehabilitated.



i agree with all of that
Wellard On April 29, 2012
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In your Mind, Cape Verde
#10New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 09:09:57
@x_Laura_x Said

Well "life" should mean "life".


Are you being serious or is my sarcasm detector faulty again??.

For murder you get life but it should all depend on the circumstances of the murder and not be immediately life imo.

What about the 'murderers' who are in prison who have never been criminals but in a quick moment of rage killed someone,would you say that they deserve to die in prison?.
foosyerdoos On March 10, 2015




Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 09:18:09
@Wellard Said

Are you being serious or is my sarcasm detector faulty again??.

For murder you get life but it should all depend on the circumstances of the murder and not be immediately life imo.

What about the 'murderers' who are in prison who have never been criminals but in a quick moment of rage killed someone,would you say that they deserve to die in prison?.




That would probably be manslaughter,because it wouldn't be premedatated.
But what the female murderers who kill there husbands after a lifetime of abuse. I wonder if they deserve to be "rotting in jail"? Or can they be rehabilitated?
Rudy1 On September 13, 2010




Melbourne, Australia
#12New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 10:21:04
I'm glad to see that there are a few people responding to this.

What a criminal gets as punishment for their crimes does depend on the region where they live. In Asia the death penalty is mainly dealt out for crimes such as murder and in dealing with drugs over a certain amount. I knew a former Asian prison guard who witnessed quite a few hangings in one of the prisons of criminals who dealt in these areas. Executions by hanging were very commnon. In Australia we have done away with the death penalty, which I think should have been retained.

Anyway, getting back to our subject, the length of prison terms. The point that I was trying to make in my clumsy way was that these terms are getting way to short in countries like Australia. The punishment is supposed to be, in part, a deterrant. Punishments are just a joke now.

Wellard said, in relation to murder, should someone be punished if they kill someone in a fit of rage? Unpremeditated killing could be a case of Manslaughter as mentioned my foosyerdoos . But if someone dies by your hand, you should face suitable punishment.
foosyerdoos On March 10, 2015




Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#13New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 10:47:14
@Rudy1 Said

I'm glad to see that there are a few people responding to this.

What a criminal gets as punishment for their crimes does depend on the region where they live. In Asia the death penalty is mainly dealt out for crimes such as murder and in dealing with drugs over a certain amount. I knew a former Asian prison guard who witnessed quite a few hangings in one of the prisons of criminals who dealt in these areas. Executions by hanging were very commnon. In Australia we have done away with the death penalty, which I think should have been retained.

Anyway, getting back to our subject, the length of prison terms. The point that I was trying to make in my clumsy way was that these terms are getting way to short in countries like Australia. The punishment is supposed to be, in part, a deterrant. Punishments are just a joke now.

Wellard said, in relation to murder, should someone be punished if they kill someone in a fit of rage? Unpremeditated killing could be a case of Manslaughter as mentioned my foosyerdoos . But if someone dies by your hand, you should face suitable punishment.



Does Australia have degrees of murder, like the US. Or is it like the UK with a one size fits all conviction?
Rudy1 On September 13, 2010




Melbourne, Australia
#14New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 16:41:32
We have degrees of murder here too, as well as mitigating circumstances. The US, at least, doesn't muck around too much in its judicial system. For instance they have a "three strikes and you're out" penalty, like what happened to O.J.Simpson. Even though this animal beat a murder conviction, he still got a very justly deserved jail penalty in the end. In the US they also have "road homicide" laws which should be in force in Australia too. We have a lot of drunken or drugged out clowns who kill innocent people on the roads. Some a repeat offenders.

Australia has tended to follow the UK in with its laws. It was a British colony for a while.

I think that part of the reason for the lenient senteces in Australia is due to the fact that our prisons are full. More than half of their inmates are drug offenders. Housing and feeding them, I have read, costs sowewhere around $80,000 per year.
deal1 On May 06, 2011
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#15New Post! Aug 21, 2010 @ 16:46:45
It all depends on what the person is in for...murder? a lot longer than what you stated...yet some non violent criminals really get the book thrown at them...They are in prison, while they should be out on probation or parole working to pay restitution to society.
Sometimes, I wonder if Justice really IS blind!
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