britian is becoming like nazi germany????

Dr. Muhammed Abdul Bari leader of the muslim council in britain has accused the government of stoking anti-islamic tensions, and warns that britain must beware of becoming like nazi germany.
i personally can see two sides to this.
yes, most western countries, not just britain, are becoming increasingly hostile towards muslims. but also muslims within these countries are becoming far more radicalised than ever before, perhaps as a reaction to the hostility they encounter, but my belief is that it is far more complex than that. many young muslims living abroad feel a kinship with those fundamentalist groups fighting what they percieve as western expansionist policies in countries such as iraq, israel, and afghanistan, so though they are born and bred in countries like britain their loyalties to their muslim brothers and sisters is often stronger.
any opinons on this?

if a country have a powerfull genetics and cultures they always want to be the first. And if they cant success it they think what we did wrong? and they start to take surprising things for being the first. It is the characteristic of that countries

yes yasam, it has long been established that 'nationalism' is a means to exert supremacy over races thought to be inferior.
but conversely, islam also exerts its own supremacy over those races and religions thought to be inferior, namely those in the west who are non-muslim.

where's your proof that muslims in other countries are becoming more radicalised? I assume that you are also referring to the UK? The ones I know tell me that the radical ones are minority and condemn them wholeheartedly.

i think they dont have problem with Islam. if an english person cant find a job but another foreigner person has a job. english person starts to think bad about that foreign person. she/he thinks bad about of her or his everything(its life standards nation religion...)

is it real? are people really becoming more hostile towards each other?

We have always had racists, we have always had the national front. Over the past 20 years or so i beleive racism has become much less of an issue as generations change and the racist beleif is being stamped out as it is not being passed down into children as much as say, after the second world war.

If we wasn't a free country with democracy then those with extremist beleifs such as the BNP wouldnt be allowed to even exist. Now i disagree with thier ethic wholeheartedly, in my eyes they are scum, but i would not want to live in a country where a man cannot stand up and say what he beleives in. You cant have it both ways.

I think its just part of the media train and i feel it is everyone's obligation to actually question everything we are told and question our own beleifs and political leanings to ensure we are doing what we feel is right and not manipulated by fear or greed.

hedkandi, yes, there are only a minority of radicalised muslims in the UK right now, but that minority are becoming ever more visible and vocal, thereby arousing such fears.
and let us not forget that many countries abroad are experiencing much more widespread radicalisation, iran for one, and pakistan for another.
i should know, my husband was a muslim and lived in iran for most of his childhood and early youth. the very reason he gave up on islam was exactly because he saw how the radicals were taking over and brutalising the religion.
i am not anti-islam, and believe that minorities contribute substantially to a nation, for my husband himself is in a minority, but we should recognise that there is growing antagonism toward muslims, not just radicals, for not everybody discriminates, and that there is a very real hard-core reason for some of that antagonism.

If you think Britain seems anti-islamic, take a look at other European countries; we're saints by comparison. In Switzerland, for example, one of the right-wing political parties is calling for a ban on building minarets, in order to preserve their status as a Christian country. I can understand why devout Muslims might find secular British society to be hostile towards them, but the government is far from anti-islamic. I personally do not see how any major increase in strict religion can benefit our society considering its current stage of development, but I am seriously worried by the minority of citizens who see Islam as a threat to 'British tradition'. I would like to see our society distance itself as far as possible from such traditions that were held in the past, but that does not mean simply switching to a different set of ancient traditions.

Comparing Britain to Nazi Germany is beyond ingratitude.

i agree with some of what you say buffalobill.
britain is a mainly tolerant country towards those minorities living here.
and in my opinion any anti-islamic feelings are probably down to exactly the sort of comments the head of the islamic council made comparing britain to nazi germany.
there are too many imams and leading muslims, as well as those who follow their every word, who pull apart british society and traditions at every opportunity and make highly offensive comments, that if they were directed against the muslim community would lead to outrage and demonstrations.

You could draw parralels between the more devout members of the Islamic community and Scientologists, in the way that they are simply incapable of accepting criticism.

the thing is the comments about nazi germany were directed against the government after steps to tackle extremists in the UK were unveiled.
however, i would argue that the muslim extremists are far more like nazis than the government, in that they actually do condone the eradication of all non-muslims and establishing kalifate states throughout the world where everyone should be muslim.
and if muslim leaders will not toe the line with the government over tackling these extremists where does that leave us?

In fact, you may have a point... extremist muslims tend to hold anti-semitic, homophobic, right-wing views, and call for world-domination in the form of a united Islamic state, or caliphate. Sounds very similar to Nazism to me.

Could it be that the MCB have realised that all you have to do in this country is to bandy the words 'racist' or 'Nazi' and everyone holds their hands up and backs down in horror?
This government is behaving nothing like Mr Hitler's lot.
They are not going after a specific look, type, religion or skin colour.
They are merely seeking to protect the vast majority of people in the UK from certain groups who have promised to 'bring down' our society and our way of life.

I believe that you will find that National Socialism (Nazism) is, if not the most cost efficient, certainly one of the most cost efficient forms of government known to man.

Taking note of the world economic situation at the present, it is a real possibility that National Socialism could rear it's head. Some believe that Fascism (corporate government) is a precursor to National Socialism. If not, they can certainly co-exist (as was proven by Nazi Germany's association with Fascist Italy).

For either of the above forms of government to exist two things must be present;

1) Great public fear

2) an identifiable group to unite people against

Lest we forget that the German Weimar government that preceded Nazism was a democratic republic and that Nazism arose as an elected government in the midst of economic turmoil; it would seem more certain that we will see history repeat itself again in the most tragic mistake that mankind ever made.

So are the Islamists making the majority of decent people affraid...or are they whipping up fear amongst the feeble minded and easily led of society, and thereby making Islamists affraid OF decent people?
And, since the government and various public bodies are bending over backwards NOT to unite people against an extremely identifiable group of people, yet the Islamists are, in ever increasing numbers and ferocity, uniting against what they have identified as identifiabel evil, (us), then which group are acting more like the Nazis?