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wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#16New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:26:41
@chaski Said

Birds! Wake up!


So birds are dinosaurs in your dreams and imagination!
chaski On June 04, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#17New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:28:17
@wirelessguru1 Said

So birds are dinosaurs in your dreams and imagination!


No. In Science. Wake up!!!

wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#18New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:31:23
@chaski Said

No. In Science. Wake up!!!


You must mean science in your dreams and imagination!
chaski On June 04, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#19New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:32:53
@wirelessguru1 Said

You must mean science in your dreams and imagination!


You must mean science in reality!
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#20New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:35:48
@chaski Said

You must mean science in reality!


Well in science in reality birds are NOT dinosaurs...
chaski On June 04, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#21New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:37:59
@wirelessguru1 Said

Well in science in reality birds are NOT dinosaurs...


Well in science in reality birds ARE dinosaurs. Wake up!!!

wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#22New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 18:41:41
@chaski Said

Well in science in reality birds ARE dinosaurs. Wake up!!!


That must be the science in the reality of your dreams and imagination!

..and do you also "imagine" that dinosaurs tasted like chicken!?
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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#23New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 19:31:16
@futilevoice Said

It's very telling when you ignore posts that prove you wrong or at the very least challenge your beliefs.

Again, how do you explain bible verses that indicate there may indeed be a Trinity?


I never knowingly ignore posts, I do miss some, but I have no reason to ignore any. What were you referring to? If you can point me to them, I'll have a look. More often than not I only get to see replies the system notifies me of.

That is simple.

In the case of John 1:1 it has been shown to almost certainly be a deliberate mistranslation.

If you look in the Emphatic Diaglott with interlinear column, in that section it has the Word as a god, small "g" and yet in the English only column it has changed it to God, no "a", capital"G". A sure sign of a deliberate alteration. Greek scholars still argue over it now.

The rest of the scriptures which can be read as supporting a trinity are basically too ambiguous to form definite proof, especially in something translated from one langue into a language as ambiguous as English can be.

The same cannot be said for the number of scriptures that counter any idea of a Trinity, they are completely unambiguous, and they outnumber the ambiguous ones significantly.

What is ambiguous, from instance about (1 Corinthians 11:3) "But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn the head of a woman is the man; in turn the head of the Christ is God". which shows a clear and unambiguous line of responsibility from God to Jesus to man to woman. If Christ has a head, in that sense, then he cannot be equal so no trinity. This creates no contradiction, simply shows you how understand the more ambiguous ones.

How about (1 Peter 1:3) "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead", (2 Corinthians 1:3) "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort"
or (Ephesians 1:3) "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ". All of which show that Christ himself has a God, a superior being, one in authority over him.

With such unequivocal scriptures of these how can anyone think that the trinity is even a possibility?

How about Jesus own words when he said (Mark 10:18) "Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God".

Jesus,a s yet say, knew his place despite being a perfect human being, the first and only one since Adam.
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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#24New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 19:36:08
@wirelessguru1 Said

So it came from the Jews!



So I suppose that the Christian Trinity is not as hot...


Yes it came from the Jews, and they got it from Abraham, in fact it stretches right back to the Garden of Eden. As Chris said (John 4:22) "YOU worship what YOU do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews."

Don't forget teat Jesus lived taught and died as a Jew, and as Paul later pointed out, when God abandoned unfaithful Israel, He took a faithful remnant of it to form what became known as the Christian Congregation, though Paul called it the "New Israel" or the "Israel of God".

So yes the true Christian Congregation is built on the faithful remains of Judaism.

There is no such thing as a Christian Trinity, it is an Apostate teaching, imported from pagan religions.
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#25New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 19:38:44
@futilevoice Said

It's very telling when you ignore posts that prove you wrong or at the very least challenge your beliefs.

Again, how do you explain bible verses that indicate there may indeed be a Trinity?



@futilevoice Said

The dinosaurs were destroyed by a meteor. At least that is the common theory.


Yes it is a common theory, but is it right? Did God send the meteor if it is?

We'll probably never know for sure, simply because we have no need to, they are not relevant to us today. If they were the bible would have mentioned them.
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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#26New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 19:40:25
@futilevoice Said

The dinosaurs were destroyed by a meteor. At least that is the common theory.


I think I've already answered this one also, another second notification? strange since sometimes I don't even get a first one.
chaski On June 04, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#27New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 19:55:19
@wirelessguru1 Said

That must be the science in the reality of your dreams and imagination!

..and do you also "imagine" that dinosaurs tasted like chicken!?



That must be the science in reality that you deny in your ignorance.
futilevoice On October 07, 2016

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#28New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 20:56:12
@futilevoice Said

These are bible verses that suggest there is a Trinity: So it is a matter of opinion.

Although the term "Trinity" is not found in the Bible, most Bible scholars agree that its meaning is clearly expressed. These are some of the verses expressing the concept of the Trinity - Matthew 3:16-17, Matthew 28:19, John 14:16-17, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Acts 2:32-33, John 10:30, John 17:11&21.



@MadCornishBiker Said


That is simple.

In the case of John 1:1 it has been shown to almost certainly be a deliberate mistranslation.

If you look in the Emphatic Diaglott with interlinear column, in that section it has the Word as a god, small "g" and yet in the English only column it has changed it to God, no "a", capital"G". A sure sign of a deliberate alteration. Greek scholars still argue over it now.

The rest of the scriptures which can be read as supporting a trinity are basically too ambiguous to form definite proof, especially in something translated from one langue into a language as ambiguous as English can be.

The same cannot be said for the number of scriptures that counter any idea of a Trinity, they are completely unambiguous, and they outnumber the ambiguous ones significantly.



Maybe a definition of the concept of Trinity will help:

"The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons (Greek: ??????????):[1] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct yet coexist in unity, and are co-equal, co-eternal and consubstantial (Greek: ?????????). Put another way, the three persons of the Trinity are of one being (Greek: ?????).[2] The Trinity is considered to be a mystery of Christian faith.[3]

According to this doctrine, there is only one God in three persons. Each person is God, whole and entire. They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: as the Fourth Lateran Council declared, "it is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds". While distinct in their relations with one another, they are one in all else. The whole work of creation and grace is a single operation common to all three divine persons, who at the same time operate according to their unique properties, so that all things are from the Father, through the Son and in the Holy Spirit.[3]"

You claim the scriptures I presented were ambiguous and other scriptures counter them, but how could you, who claim everything in the bible is true, and inspired of God, make that claim. Why choose one set of scriptures to believe and discount others? You also claim there are no contradictions in the bible, but here, we have a sparkling example of one.

Can you see how your beleifs are not credible, how hypocritical you seem to others. You either accept the bible as it is or you don't accept it all. There is no picking and choosing to suit your beliefs. True Christains don't try to rewrite the bible and read things into it that aren't there.

So maybe it is you who is the apostate.
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#29New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 20:59:19
@MadCornishBiker Said

Yes it came from the Jews, and they got it from Abraham, in fact it stretches right back to the Garden of Eden. As Chris said (John 4:22) "YOU worship what YOU do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation originates with the Jews."


So when was this Garden of Eden!? Were dinosaurs also living on it!?

@MadCornishBiker Said

Don't forget teat Jesus lived taught and died as a Jew, and as Paul later pointed out, when God abandoned unfaithful Israel, He took a faithful remnant of it to form what became known as the Christian Congregation, though Paul called it the "New Israel" or the "Israel of God".


teat Jesus!?

..and who cares about Paul anyway!?

@MadCornishBiker Said

So yes the true Christian Congregation is built on the faithful remains of Judaism.


Well mad dude, Judaism is still going. Wake up!

@MadCornishBiker Said

There is no such thing as a Christian Trinity, it is an Apostate teaching, imported from pagan religions.


What pagan religions!?
wirelessguru1 On November 01, 2018




Somewhere in, California
#30New Post! Sep 12, 2012 @ 21:01:01
@MadCornishBiker Said

Yes it is a common theory, but is it right? Did God send the meteor if it is?


So your God (The Devil) sends meteors!?

@MadCornishBiker Said

We'll probably never know for sure, simply because we have no need to, they are not relevant to us today. If they were the bible would have mentioned them.


Well mad dude, you are also not relevant to us today...
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