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Charlemagne On December 10, 2012




Houston,
#1New Post! Sep 14, 2009 @ 19:32:57
Ayn Rand's opus Atlas Shrugged opens with a beautiful metaphor prescient of modern America. Eddie Willers, one of its main characters. Eddie is an allegorical reference to the body politic of America, everyman. Eddie gazes at a massive oak tree, a pillar of strength, a living thing that has taken hundreds of years to pass from the improbable seed to the end stage denizen of a climax forest.

On closer inspection Eddie realizes that the great tree has been hollowed out. Its strength has become an illusion; it still stands only because the vicissitudes of life have not seen fit to blow it over. So it is with America, the beacon of liberty, and the unlimited potential of Human Action to create wealth to satisfy the world's wants and needs, has become a hollow oak, a fragile shell of what it once was. The only power the tree has is one last destructive blow as it falls crushing whatever happens to be underneath.

Read it all:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/giles/giles35.1.html
WASH On June 04, 2012




LINCOLN, California
#2New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 23:20:33
@Charlemagne Said

Ayn Rand's opus Atlas Shrugged opens with a beautiful metaphor prescient of modern America. Eddie Willers, one of its main characters. Eddie is an allegorical reference to the body politic of America, everyman. Eddie gazes at a massive oak tree, a pillar of strength, a living thing that has taken hundreds of years to pass from the improbable seed to the end stage denizen of a climax forest.

On closer inspection Eddie realizes that the great tree has been hollowed out. Its strength has become an illusion; it still stands only because the vicissitudes of life have not seen fit to blow it over. So it is with America, the beacon of liberty, and the unlimited potential of Human Action to create wealth to satisfy the world's wants and needs, has become a hollow oak, a fragile shell of what it once was. The only power the tree has is one last destructive blow as it falls crushing whatever happens to be underneath.

Read it all:

https://www.lewrockwell.com/giles/giles35.1.html


No need. Reead Ayn and saw the limbs slowly loosing their sap. Is Abama the one with the axe?
El_Tino On October 12, 2023
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#3New Post! Sep 24, 2009 @ 23:26:54
Nothing quite like a 50 year-old novel to be the entire basis for your world view & political philosophy.

That's not irrational in the least bit. Never mind actual philosophy books. Never mind scientific discoveries. We should all have some utopian vision of the world based on a single novel written by some random person 50 years ago.

I think maybe I'll base my entire political philosophy on Aldous Huxley's work "Brave New World"... or wait, maybe I won't because that would be retarded.
Charlemagne On December 10, 2012




Houston,
#4New Post! Oct 03, 2009 @ 21:03:27
@eL_TinO Said

Nothing quite like a 50 year-old novel to be the entire basis for your world view & political philosophy.

That's not irrational in the least bit. Never mind actual philosophy books. Never mind scientific discoveries. We should all have some utopian vision of the world based on a single novel written by some random person 50 years ago.

I think maybe I'll base my entire political philosophy on Aldous Huxley's work "Brave New World"... or wait, maybe I won't because that would be retarded.


Sarcasm doesn't become you.
TheGhostwriter On October 06, 2009

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Tennessee with a capital "T",
#5New Post! Oct 04, 2009 @ 01:35:20
I'm a Libertarian, and I think Ayn Rand's full of herself, and Atlas Shrugged is complete trash. I'll never understand my party's fixation with her, considering that... y'know... she hated Libertarians.
Paradigm10 On July 09, 2010




Old Forge,
#6New Post! Oct 04, 2009 @ 01:47:03
@eL_TinO Said

Nothing quite like a 50 year-old novel to be the entire basis for your world view & political philosophy.

That's not irrational in the least bit. Never mind actual philosophy books. Never mind scientific discoveries. We should all have some utopian vision of the world based on a single novel written by some random person 50 years ago.

I think maybe I'll base my entire political philosophy on Aldous Huxley's work "Brave New World"... or wait, maybe I won't because that would be retarded.


Just damn! I've based my entire political philosophy on Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World". I've been retarded the whole time?
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#7New Post! Oct 04, 2009 @ 02:08:40
@eL_TinO Said

Nothing quite like a 50 year-old novel to be the entire basis for your world view & political philosophy.

That's not irrational in the least bit. Never mind actual philosophy books. Never mind scientific discoveries. We should all have some utopian vision of the world based on a single novel written by some random person 50 years ago.

I think maybe I'll base my entire political philosophy on Aldous Huxley's work "Brave New World"... or wait, maybe I won't because that would be retarded.


IMO, that's somewhat of an overstatement, and an attack.
A single point of view was offered, with no claim to it being the basis of anything AT ALL.
Why not discuss that view-point, from any angle, rather than attempt sarcasm and insult the poster?
I tend to agree with the proffered view.
I personally see the USA as a decadent remnant of an almost-empire. There was a moment when it could have ruled the world, but it's own structure and ethos prevented it, and the moment passed, and it's been downhill ever since, on almost all levels. This is a purely personal view, and one I'm prepared to defend intellectually, without resorting to name calling and denigration, are you?
El_Tino On October 12, 2023
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#8New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 07:30:09
@Charlemagne Said

Sarcasm doesn't become you.


Quoting directly from an essay without offering any of your own opinion doesn't become you.

@Marcussextus Said

IMO, that's somewhat of an overstatement, and an attack.


And?

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A single point of view was offered, with no claim to it being the basis of anything AT ALL.


So what are we supposed to discuss this book report then? I know full well the weight that many conservatives place on this ridiculous book. Maybe things are different in Australia. I don't know, and I don't even really care.

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Why not discuss that view-point, from any angle, rather than attempt sarcasm and insult the poster?
I tend to agree with the proffered view.


Who insulted the poster? They copied some text from a book report. It's hard to insult someone when they aren't even posting anything original.

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I personally see the USA as a decadent remnant of an almost-empire. There was a moment when it could have ruled the world, but it's own structure and ethos prevented it, and the moment passed, and it's been downhill ever since, on almost all levels. This is a purely personal view, and one I'm prepared to defend intellectually, without resorting to name calling and denigration, are you?


ANd what exactly does this have to do with a 50 year old novel? Please clear this up for me.
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#9New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 07:46:02
No intelligent discussion possible with you then, as usual.
Do you have ANY personal views or philosophies, or are you just another knocker, slinging off at everyone in sight?
Easy, isn't it? Much easier than engaging in an exchange of views, where some actual thinking is required.
El_Tino On October 12, 2023
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#10New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 07:52:12
@Marcussextus Said

No intelligent discussion possible with you then, as usual.


Damn, that sentence alone appears to be written at a 6th grade level. Good job young man! Oh wait, it lacks a verb...

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Do you have ANY personal views or philosophies, or are you just another knocker, slinging off at everyone in sight?


I posted my personal view & philosophy that Ayn Rand was clueless and that it is nonsensical to base your political views off a novel.

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Easy, isn't it? Much easier than engaging in an exchange of views, where some actual thinking is required.


What views have you exchanged here recently, or even ever, where "actual" thinking is required? What specifically constitutes "actual" thinking as opposed to non-actual thinking? Can you provide an operational definition so that we can have a sensible debate about this?
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#11New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 09:16:35
Just can't help yourself, can you?
Always have to attack the poster, does that make you feel big?
Smart? Powerful?
How sad.
When I see intelligent observations or comments from you that don't involve belittling others I'll take you seriously, as it is you just sound like a petulant school-yard bully, only able to feel good by putting others down.
Rather betrays a weakness of personality, IMO.
El_Tino On October 12, 2023
booyaka!





Albuquerque, New Mexico
#12New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 09:23:03
@Marcussextus Said

Just can't help yourself, can you?


Guess not.

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Always have to attack the poster, does that make you feel big?
Smart? Powerful?


Pot?

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How sad.


Crying?

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When I see intelligent observations or comments from you that don't involve belittling others I'll take you seriously, as it is you just sound like a petulant school-yard bully, only able to feel good by putting others down.


Oh please, at least 75% of what you post is making insults and saying how everyone is posting drivel and unintelligent. Why don't you just leave if this place is full of so many retards and devoid of any actual thought.

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Rather betrays a weakness of personality, IMO.


If I didn't think Freud was full of s***, I'd say you're engaging in projection.

Now I'll ban myself so I can call you one of the biggest f***tards to ever post on TFS.
fitzyp On December 23, 2014




Auckland, New Zealand
#13New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 09:25:48
OMG You're SO MEAN el Tino!!!
misunderstood On June 24, 2014
Persuasive Madam!





How about you come find me....
#14New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 10:31:21
Tino I love you
x_Laura_x On April 02, 2024




Nowhere, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Oct 05, 2009 @ 10:33:19
@eL_TinO Said



Now I'll ban myself so I can call you one of the biggest f***tards to ever post on TFS.



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