Police to Stop and Search Without Giving A Reason

@stumblinthrulife Said


I imagine that the intent of this bill is not to deliberately encroach on our freedoms, but rather to reduce administration since a copper will no longer have to justify his stops.

@hedkandi1984_21 Said
That is part of the reason. Like I've said before tho, the other reason why they're doing it tho is cos of the increased crimes committed in these groups by these groups. The current stop and search laws just aren't working, so unless anyone has any better ideas . . . .?

@stumblinthrulife Said
But will unjustified searches help? I mean, if there is good reason to suspect they are up to no good, then the current law covers the copper. If there is not good reason, then you are going to either be searching people randomly - hardly efficient - or racially profiling people, which is institutional racism, another thing that is supposed to be illegal.

@hedkandi1984_21 Said
They won't stop you. They'll be stopping the black and Asian kids who spend all their time loitering Unfortunately, there have been a lot of violence with these groups recently, so I can see why they're planning on doing it.

@hedkandi1984_21 Said
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4786852.stm

I just found this.

Glynn Jones, 22, from Clapham, south-west London says he has been stopped at least 15 times in the past six months.

He says that neither he, nor his elder brother Spencer, 26, have a criminal record or have been in trouble with the police.

"It's not the point that I am getting stopped, it's just the way they treat you when they stop you and the way they've dealt with me is just wrong," Mr Jones said.

"I would like to maybe advise them (the police) and give them some tips on when they stop black people. Young black people like myself.

"Just to talk to them with respect and have manners. Treat them the same way you would treat a white person, sir or madam, whatever. Not blood, not mate, not bruv, not son."


Maybe the police need to work on the way they deal with people, to try and make them not feel victimised, if this new law goes through.

And maybe they need to keep some sort of paperwork cos searching someone that often is just stupid!


I don't know about the unjustified searches. They might help because if people know they are more likely to be searched, they're less likely to carry weapons

This just seems like a last resort tactic, because amnesties aren't working, but there are so many weapons still out there on the streets.

@rockdave Said
and what makes you say that? your black so its easy for ya to say that. you do have a point there are some white police that will stop blacks and asians same as some black and asians coppers would target the white people. in the main area that asians live in peterborough, it is a s***hole. daily crime and its a horrible part of the city. targeting certain races? bollocks its just whats needed round there

@hedkandi1984_21 Said
https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4786852.stm

I just found this.

Glynn Jones, 22, from Clapham, south-west London says he has been stopped at least 15 times in the past six months.

He says that neither he, nor his elder brother Spencer, 26, have a criminal record or have been in trouble with the police.

"It's not the point that I am getting stopped, it's just the way they treat you when they stop you and the way they've dealt with me is just wrong," Mr Jones said.

"I would like to maybe advise them (the police) and give them some tips on when they stop black people. Young black people like myself.

"Just to talk to them with respect and have manners. Treat them the same way you would treat a white person, sir or madam, whatever. Not blood, not mate, not bruv, not son."


Maybe the police need to work on the way they deal with people, to try and make them not feel victimised, if this new law goes through.

And maybe they need to keep some sort of paperwork cos searching someone that often is just stupid!


I don't know about the unjustified searches. They might help because if people know they are more likely to be searched, they're less likely to carry weapons

This just seems like a last resort tactic, because amnesties aren't working, but there are so many weapons still out there on the streets.

@joe762 Said
So claimed weapons are protected by our bill of rights, you know the Se coned Amendment;"the right to keep and bear arms shall now be in fringed".

@hedkandi1984_21 Said
Because I've seen them do it . . . they're more likely to search the teenage boys who think they're all ghetto and stand around taking up half the sidewalk talking.

@crazychica Said
Ok. I think maybe this might cover it. I'll keep looking.

Article 8

Right to respect for private and family life

1 Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
2 There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.