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bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
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, Angola
#31New Post! Apr 18, 2019 @ 21:11:21
@gakINGKONG Said

Hey everyone!

White nationalism! It's a problem right? Yes. We all know it's a problem. The question is, are you part of the problem?

Let's walk through the steps.

1) Are you a nationalist? In precisely eleven years and nine months, climate change will make planet earth uninhabitable. I'm sorry to break the bad news but people like Donald Trump have made a mess of things and we are all out of time. Globalism, the push for nations across the globe to share resources/military strength/policy initiatives, is the key to our survival. Big fat dummies like Donald Trump who don't know no better can't see the wisdom of this and are responsible for things like Brexit and throttling of trans-sexual members in the military.

2) Are you white? Just look at your skin and this is answered for you. In the hierarchy of privilege, white straight men above age 45 are the most sinister culprits. Sorry buddy, if that's you then please feel free to sit down and shut up every chainch ya get.

A yes from question 1 and a yes for question 2 equals fail times ten.

I'm pretty sure once Orange Man is ousted and the ship is corrected (think Avengers undoing the Thanos Snap), the hunt for white nationalists can commence and it won't be soon enough.

Or something.



According to the media I am. And that stands to reason because (a) I am not white, and (b) I'm not an ethnonationalist, and (c) I believe in borders, two genders and morals but most damming of all - I read an actual history book once and believe in free speech.

That's enough to have me burned at the stake for my evil Nazism.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#32New Post! Apr 18, 2019 @ 21:23:09
@bob_the_fisherman Said

According to the media I am. And that stands to reason because (a) I am not white, and (b) I'm not an ethnonationalist, and (c) I believe in borders, two genders and morals but most damming of all - I read an actual history book once and believe in free speech.

That's enough to have me burned at the stake for my evil Nazism.



Not at all surprising, you also do not know what the term white nationalist means.

bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#33New Post! Apr 18, 2019 @ 22:23:59
@chaski Said

Not at all surprising, you also do not know what the term white nationalist means.




I was using the media's accepted definition that anyone who supports Trump is a white nationalist, and a white nationalist is a white supremacist and a white supremacist is a Nazi. I agree that it's absurd, hence why I was mocking it. I mean, there are muppets out there who believe that Trump called the Friday night marchers in Charlottesville "fine people." So we know propaganda works and stupid sells.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#34New Post! Apr 18, 2019 @ 23:00:20
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I was using the media's accepted definition that anyone who supports Trump is a white nationalist,




BS

You were s*** talking, because that is what you do when you have no idea what you are talking about.

HILLARY!

So trite.
gakINGKONG On October 18, 2022




, Florida
#35New Post! Apr 19, 2019 @ 00:51:39
@bob_the_fisherman Said

According to the media I am. And that stands to reason because (a) I am not white, and (b) I'm not an ethnonationalist, and (c) I believe in borders, two genders and morals but most damming of all - I read an actual history book once and believe in free speech.

That's enough to have me burned at the stake for my evil Nazism.



Here's to good friends.

German Beer for Americans and Their buddies


Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#36New Post! Apr 19, 2019 @ 02:32:43
@bob_the_fisherman Said

I was using the media's accepted definition that anyone who supports Trump is a white nationalist, and a white nationalist is a white supremacist and a white supremacist is a Nazi. I agree that it's absurd, hence why I was mocking it. I mean, there are muppets out there who believe that Trump called the Friday night marchers in Charlottesville "fine people." So we know propaganda works and stupid sells.


Can you link the source on this definition from the media? Thanks!
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
Anatidaephobic





, Angola
#37New Post! Apr 20, 2019 @ 07:31:52
@Leon Said

Can you link the source on this definition from the media? Thanks!



Watch news media, read HuffPo, ... from the "whitelash" on election night to the justification of bashing Trump supporters to the media wilfully lying about the NZ shooter who's a far left, anti-Trump, Pro Chinese national socialist (which makes us 'wonder' are the Chinese far right or have we been lied to about where Nazis sit on the political spectrum).

I even heard some media muppet call Candace Owens a white supremacist. I wish I could remember who because I would link that. That was gold. Still, you could probably find it easily enough, I suppose.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#38New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 02:16:15
To respond to your bottom reply to me, I want to first re-quote your claim for which I wanted links:

@bob_the_fisherman Said

I was using the media's accepted definition that anyone who supports Trump is a white nationalist, and a white nationalist is a white supremacist and a white supremacist is a Nazi.


To which your replied:

@bob_the_fisherman Said

read HuffPo, ...

Come on dude.... Huffington Post?

When I read headlines from the likes of Info Wars claiming that Sandy Hook was a set-up, I don’t go around claiming that the accepted viewpoint of the media is that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I just understand that Alex Jones is a right wing conspiracy theorist and move on. If I want to find out what the accepted view from the media is, I will read mainstream sources that, at the very least, pretend to be impartial. And I expect the same from you. ABC News, CBS News, FOX, New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

Even Wikipedia states outright in their first paragraph that Huffington Post is a website with a liberal leaning perspective.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

from the "whitelash" on election night

Okay, so this can be attributed to an individual named Van Jones who stated his opinion that the 2016 result was due to a white backlash to Obama. At least he is from CNN, I’ll give you that.

But realize that Van is a commentator not a news anchor. There is a difference. Just like there is a difference between Tom Brokaw and Sean Hannity or the difference between a newspaper headline article and an editorial. One presents the news in a straightforward, factual fashion, the other gives opinionated commentary. When editorials are given, it does not, in any way, shape, or form, indicate that media is presenting news with a false narrative.

Besides, even this particular opinion of his does not include a statement that anyone who supports Trump is a white nationalist to Nazi.

@bob_the_fisherman Said
to the justification of bashing Trump supporters

This is too general and vague for me to find anything specific that states anyone who supports Trump is a white nationalist to Nazi. I tried, but realized it was futile after a few minutes. Usually when one makes a claim, and proof is asked, it is on the person making a claim to provide the sources of proof - not the person questioning such a claim, for this very reason.

@bob_the_fisherman Said
to the media wilfully lying about the NZ shooter who's a far left, anti-Trump, Pro Chinese national socialist (which makes us 'wonder' are the Chinese far right or have we been lied to about where Nazis sit on the political spectrum)

Well, now we are talking about one individual, not a generalization stamp encompassing all Trump supporters.

Regardless, also from Wikipedia...

“Police charged Brenton Harrison Tarrant, a 28-year-old Australian man, with murder in relation to the attacks.[96] At the time of his arrest, he had been living for a few years in Andersons Bay in Dunedin.[97] He was a member of a South Otago gun club and practised shooting at its range.[98] He grew up in Grafton, New South Wales, attended Grafton High School,[99] and worked as a personal trainer in his hometown from 2009 to 2011.[100] Around 2012, he started visiting a number of countries in Asia and Europe. Police in Bulgaria and Turkey are investigating his visits to their nations.[101][102] He became obsessed with terrorist attacks committed by Islamic extremists in 2016 and 2017, started planning an attack about two years prior to the shootings, and chose his targets three months in advance.[103] Security officials suspect he had come into contact with far-right organisations about two years before the shooting, while visiting European nations.[104] He donated 1,500 euros to Identitäre Bewegung Osterreichs (IBO) the Austrian branch of the Identitarian movement in Europe as well as 2,200 euros to Génération Identitaire, the French branch of the group.[105][106] Captivated with sites of battle between Christians and the Ottoman Empire, he went on another series of visits to the Balkans in 2016–2018, with Croatia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Turkey and Bosnia-Herzegovina confirming his presence there in these years.[107] He posted a slew of Balkan nationalist material on social media platforms,[108] and called for the United States to be weakened in order to prevent events such as the NATO intervention in Kosovo in response to a Serbian ethnic-cleansing campaign against Muslim Kosovar Albanians.[39][107][109] He said he was against intervention by NATO because he saw the Serbian military as "Christian Europeans attempting to remove these Islamic occupiers from Europe".[39][109]. Three years prior to the attacks, he praised Blair Cottrell as a leader of the far-right movements in Australia. He made more than 30 comments on the now-deleted "United Patriots Front" and "True Blue Crew". An Australian Broadcasting Corporation team who studied the comments called them "fragments and digital impressions of a well-travelled young man who frequented hate-filled anonymous messaging boards and was deeply engaged in a global alt-right culture."[110] A Melbourne man said that in 2016 he filed a police complaint after Tarrant allegedly told him in an online conversation, "I hope one day you meet the rope". He said that the police told him to block Tarrant and did not file an investigation. The police said that they were unable to locate a complaint. Tarrant is allegedly the author of a 73-page manifesto titled "The Great Replacement", a reference to the "Great Replacement" and "white genocide" conspiracy theories.[124] It said the attacks were planned two years prior, and that the location was selected three months prior.[125] Minutes before the attacks began, the manifesto was emailed to more than 30 recipients, including the prime minister's office and several media outlets,[126] and links were shared on Twitter and 8chan.[127][128]
In the manifesto several anti-immigrant sentiments are expressed, including hate speech against migrants, white supremacist rhetoric, and calls for all non-European immigrants in Europe who are claimed to be "invading his land" to be removed.[129] The manifesto displays neo-Nazi symbols such as the Black Sun and the Odin's cross. However, the author denies being a Nazi,[130] describing himself instead as an ethno-nationalist,[109][131][132] an "eco-fascist"[133][134][135] and a "kebab removalist", in reference to a meme exalting the genocide of Bosnian Muslims by the Bosnian Serb army.[136] The author cites Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik and others as an inspiration. He says he supports US president Donald Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose", but not as a leader or policy-maker.[129]”

Seems fair to me to categorize this person as a white nationalist supportive of Trump.

@bob_the_fisherman Said

I even heard some media muppet call Candace Owens a white supremacist. I wish I could remember who because I would link that. That was gold. Still, you could probably find it easily enough, I suppose.

Couldn’t find it.

Besides, again, it’s one person. And likely a characterization by a commentator rather than a news anchor.

Which is a far cry from your contention that the media has accepted the viewpoint that every Trump supporter is a white nationalist to Nazi.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#39New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 05:11:16
@Leon Said

Come on dude.... Huffington Post?

When I read headlines from the likes of Info Wars claiming that Sandy Hook was a set-up, I don’t go around claiming that the accepted viewpoint of the media is that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I just understand that Alex Jones is a right wing conspiracy theorist and move on. If I want to find out what the accepted view from the media is, I will read mainstream sources that, at the very least, pretend to be impartial. And I expect the same from you. ABC News, CBS News, FOX, New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, etc.




This


With the noted understanding that studies have found that people who watch/read either Fox News or MSNBC are likely to be less informed about current events than people who don't watch/read the news at all.

Also with the noted understanding that the MSM (which includes, contrary to some people's beliefs, both conservative & liberal news media outlets) almost always notes its sources which can be easily fact checked.
chaski On April 19, 2024
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#40New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 05:20:23
@Leon Said

....And likely a characterization by a commentator rather than a news anchor.


There is a lot of confusion today about what is "news" vs. what is actually "commentary" or "opinion" or "editorial".

Granted all the news outlets today in large part allow this to happen... and maybe even promoted it with all of their "speculation"... this being promoted by both "liberal" and "conservative" media.

None the less, it is (IMO) the responsibility of each person to pay attention and use their own brains in discerning fact from opinion.... and not believing bulls*** just because their favorite source of news is presenting it.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#41New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 13:01:28
@chaski Said

There is a lot of confusion today about what is "news" vs. what is actually "commentary" or "opinion" or "editorial".

Granted all the news outlets today in large part allow this to happen... and maybe even promoted it with all of their "speculation"... this being promoted by both "liberal" and "conservative" media.

None the less, it is (IMO) the responsibility of each person to pay attention and use their own brains in discerning fact from opinion.... and not believing bulls*** just because their favorite source of news is presenting it.


Yes. Furthermore, a distinction is usually made when it is an editorial or opinionated piece. CNN, for example has a disclaimer on top of every article that expresses an opinion. In newscasts, the role, delivery, and content of an anchor is easily identifiably distinct from the role of a commentator.

Yet when a opinion piece or commentary is presented, opposing readers immediately group it together with the entity’s straightforward news outlet and call the entire entity biased.
Leon On March 30, 2024




San Diego, California
#42New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 13:33:59
@chaski Said

With the noted understanding that studies have found that people who watch/read either Fox News or MSNBC are likely to be less informed about current events than people who don't watch/read the news at all.


This is because these two channels are heavily overshadowed by their commentators (Hannity, Maddow, etc), so much of the viewership is confined to their shows. Also, in their straightforward news reporting, FOX will often be a more choosier than everyone else in deciding what to report, as has been found in studies of that very thing.
restoreone On January 30, 2022




, Ohio
#43New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 20:23:16
News agencies give their opinions by the way they report any event. "Thousands attended a rally"." 2,200 to 2,500 attened a rally for this event". I could site so many events where they report the news in their way. Instead of three sources I now go to four.
bob_the_fisherman On January 30, 2023
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, Angola
#44New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 21:27:30
@Leon Said

Come on dude.... Huffington Post?


Not just the Huffington post.

@Leon Said
When I read headlines from the likes of Info Wars claiming that Sandy Hook was a set-up, I don’t go around claiming that the accepted viewpoint of the media is that Sandy Hook was a hoax. I just understand that Alex Jones is a right wing conspiracy theorist and move on. If I want to find out what the accepted view from the media is, I will read mainstream sources that, at the very least, pretend to be impartial. And I expect the same from you. ABC News, CBS News, FOX, New York Times, Washington Post, MSNBC, CNN, etc.


Seriously? You have not seen Trump being called racist in the media repeatedly? Look at the reaction to the Covington kid smiling as he was harassed by an Indian liar after the white kids had been abused by a bunch of black spastic idiots from some retarded "Israelite" group.

That could tell you something.

@Leon Said
Okay, so this can be attributed to an individual named Van Jones who stated his opinion that the 2016 result was due to a white backlash to Obama. At least he is from CNN, I’ll give you that.


Trump has been called a racist by the media repeatedly - they lied about him not repudiating white supremacists, they lied about his Charlottesville comment, Hillary blamed racism after she lost and called Trump supporters "sexist, racist, xenophobic" and a "basket of deplorables" before the election.


Some examples of the media and DNC on Trump = racism from about two minutes of searching:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9YPYRaeTW0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaM_fvZNmJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZHp4JLWjNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSZzBOlYi_o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYndEoy5Vr8

Bernie Sanders calls Trump a racist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=breydcMCsiU

Kamala Harris: Trump is a racist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoKlnzsw7A0

Beta O'Cuck basically calling Trump racist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSMuWOgWYYg

That was a sample of page one of two different searches.

@Leon Said
“Police charged Brenton Harrison Tarrant, a 28-year-old Australian man, with murder in relation to the attacks.[96] At [...]
Seems fair to me to categorize this person as a white nationalist supportive of Trump.


Maybe. Although he does say he is not a Trump supporter and that he aligns most closely with the national socialism of the very left wing Chinese government, and that he was a communist, then an anarchist who briefly became libertarian before embracing eco-fascism (which is left wing no matter how you care to slice it. The eco warrior thing is left, and fascism, like Nazism is hard left). After being close to a terror attack he became anti-Muslim. (Yes, I have a copy of his manifesto and have read quite a lot of it).

Simply put, the media did what they do - lied.

He even said that the media would do it, and it is why he did what he did. He wanted his act used to silence the right to hasten what he sees as the inevitable violence that will come as a result of Islamic attempts to infiltrate and destroy the west (as the Muslim Brotherhood memo reveals). One mosque he targeted had a video up (since removed) discussing their aim of replacing New Zealanders with Muslims.

However, he understood his act would be used to further lift Islam above criticism and that that would further radicalise the right and make violence inevitable, even though he himself is not on the right.

Read his manifesto.

@Leon Said
Which is a far cry from your contention that the media has accepted the viewpoint that every Trump supporter is a white nationalist to Nazi.


Don't always take this things so literally. I can't be bothered adding in all the necessary qualifying statements that don't need to be said. It's boring. Did I ever say, "every person in the media says every Trump supporter is a Nazi"? No.

I understand that people don't have humor any more, but re-read my statement. Was it a scientific claim of fact, or a hyperbolic statement?

I should have learned by now to qualify everything because pointless nitpicking is a thing, but it's just so foreign to 'our' way of thinking.

All of you should have seen enough from me to understand that nuance is a thing I can grasp, I just don't speak precise terms because that is not our way of speaking.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#45New Post! Apr 21, 2019 @ 22:26:38
I’m not convinced you can grasp nuance since you keep repeatedly referring to extremely biased propaganda on either side to try and make a point.

Like is it just because you’re not here and actually only getting opinionated peices on our actual news?

Because a lot of the stuff you have been going on about lately isn’t even close to actual reality.... closer to reality filtered through Alex Jones.
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