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white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#1New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:34:23
Your legal right to privacy offline.
If the government wants to obtain a document stored in your home file cabinet, the law requires a warrant signed by a judge. The warrant needs to show that there's probable cause that such an intrusion of your privacy will expose proof of illegal activity.

Your legal right to privacy online ??
Under the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, some government agencies argue that they don't need a warrant to access your online data. They simply send a subpoena -- which doesn't require a judge's signature or the same burden of proof -- to the Internet service.


I believe there shouldn't be any difference between the two.
What ever I send or receive in an email should be considered just as 'private' by law, as what I send or receive in a snail mail letter.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#2New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:46:35
@white_swan53 Said

What ever I send or receive in an email should be considered just as 'private' by law, as what I send or receive in a snail mail letter.



private company email goes through?

if i involve a private company as a middle man, i hired that middle man into a crime?
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#3New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:50:06
Google Gets Record Number of User Data Requests From Governments

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Google -- followed by Yahoo, Microsoft and other companies -- has filed suit against the U.S. Justice Department, urging a federal judge to let it disclose some statistics about actions compelled under the controversial NSA data-mining programs.

"Google recognizes the very real threats that the U.S. and other countries face today and, of course, governments have a duty to protect their citizens. But the current lack of transparency about the nature of government surveillance in democratic countries undermines the freedom and the trust most citizens cherish," Salgado said Wednesday during the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.




https://abcnews.go.com/US/google-record-number-user-data-requests-governments/story?id=20882197
DiscordTiger On August 23, 2021
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#4New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:50:31
People waived their rights with email. They didn't do so with the post office.
floydgirrl On March 03, 2021
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#5New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:52:28
If you have something to hide, don't put it online. Then you won't have a problem with privacy
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#6New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:54:33
@white_swan53 Said

Google Gets Record Number of User Data Requests From Governments


dang, now the gov. knows i got nothing planned.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#7New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 02:59:39
@floydgirrl Said

If you have something to hide, don't put it online. Then you won't have a problem with privacy



i order all my illegal stuff using the post office
restoreone On November 27, 2020




, Ohio
#8New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 03:15:46
Bush signed this in 2007 congress was fighting him on it. I do not know if it is still the law.

“The executive branch shall construe subsection 404(c) of title 39, as enacted by subsection 1010(e) of the act, which provides for opening of an item of a class of mail otherwise sealed against inspection, in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection.”

NBC News and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Judas On September 02, 2015




, Canada
#9New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 03:50:06
emails can actually be used legally in court so I can't see why they wouldn't be private.
I don't really get any, so I don't care, but still. Government is involved in everything else, email should at least be left to ourselves.
Corey On July 12, 2021




Sacramento, California
#10New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 04:45:30
Should There be a difference between your legal right to privacy online and offline?

Yes, whether right or not, there is a difference. If you put something out there in the electronic ether, any one could grab it, or hack it. So that is something to think about before you send it or broadcast it over radio waves or the telephone or internet etc. Yes there are privacy laws and there should be. But you just can't make something private that is inherently not private.

Corey.
sAeGeSpAeNe On September 20, 2021
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#11New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 06:00:14
@Willi Said

i order all my illegal stuff using the post office


Funny you should mention the Post Office, Willi. I strongly suspect that this lowly government agency is also participating, whether it wants to or not, in the collection of data on civilians, to be used by the federal government, against the general population, should the need arise.

Why do I say this, you ask? I'll tell you. I wanted to let the P.O. know that I want them to hold my mail, when I go out of town next month. I thought I could save myself the trip by going on-line. Their on-line form actually 'requires' that you provide them with your phone number and your e-mail address! Then, in their Privacy Notice, they announce that they will disclose your information "pursuant to a federal court order" or "to a government law enforcement agency in accordance with the law." After all the talk about NSA and the CIA and spying on people, I opted to go to the post office, instead. The form that they had available, "Authorization to Hold Mail," requires no such information!!


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ReAdSaLoT On September 23, 2019




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#12New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 06:21:25
@sAeGeSpAeNe Said

Funny you should mention the Post Office, Willi. I strongly suspect that this lowly government agency is also participating, whether it wants to or not, in the collection of data on civilians, to be used by the federal government, against the general population, should the need arise.

Why do I say this, you ask? I'll tell you. I wanted to let the P.O. know that I want them to hold my mail, when I go out of town next month. I thought I could save myself the trip by going on-line. Their on-line form actually 'requires' that you provide them with your phone number and your e-mail address! Then, in their Privacy Notice, they announce that they will disclose your information "pursuant to a federal court order" or "to a government law enforcement agency in accordance with the law." After all the talk about NSA and the CIA and spying on people, I opted to go to the post office, instead. The form that they had available, "Authorization to Hold Mail," requires no such information!!


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The scary thing about this is that they post it within eye shot, same with the police. I feel better having a neighbor pick it up or my son if he has time to drop by. Nothing private at all, in fact pretty public. That happened to me, but it may have changed so this isn't gospel.
white_swan53 On October 07, 2020




n/a, New Mexico
#13New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 09:49:31
@floydgirrl Said

If you have something to hide, don't put it online. Then you won't have a problem with privacy


I don't have anything to hide.
That doesn't mean I don't have a problem with the government having free and clear access .
I do all my personal or private business like banking or legal stuff in person.
And use a pre paid debt card for anything I buy online .

@Corey Said

Should There be a difference between your legal right to privacy online and offline?

Yes, whether right or not, there is a difference. If you put something out there in the electronic ether, any one could grab it, or hack it. So that is something to think about before you send it or broadcast it over radio waves or the telephone or internet etc. Yes there are privacy laws and there should be. But you just can't make something private that is inherently not private.

Corey.



There has always been a risk that a persons private snail mail will be stolen by some criminal minded person , not quite a year ago someone stole the cluster mailboxes that I get my mail in . They hooked a chain on to the whole thing and drove off dragging it behind them .



The history of hackers and stolen ID's etc on the web is just a sad sorry fact of life ever since the web was invented.
These are criminal acts.

We shouldn't have to worry about the government too.

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the current lack of transparency about the nature of government surveillance in democratic countries undermines the freedom and the trust most citizens cherish,"
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#15New Post! Nov 15, 2013 @ 13:31:15
@Willi Said

i order all my illegal stuff using the post office



Incidentally, that last batch of spotted owl meat you sent was delicious.
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