Gay Pride London 1972 -2012. 40 Years Of Gay Liberation.

This would be profoundly interesting to see...

I was disappointed by the Outrage campaign, especially the outing of public figures who were, up to that time, closeted. No gay man or lesbian should be outed against their will... it's the worst thing one gay person can do to another. I think his actions as a part of that movement were misguided and excessive. I also think Outrage's achievement in lowering the age of homosexual consent to 16... the same as heterosexuals... was laudable, but the subsequent attempt to have the age of consent for homosexuals lowered to 14 was foolish and naive.

However, if we take Peter Tatchell's contribution over more than thirty years to, not only gay rights, but also human rights and humanitarianism as a whole, he has been overwhelmingly a force for good and has been inspirational to many for sticking firmly to his beliefs.

Sometimes, you have to take the bad with the good.

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I refer you to my post on page 2 of this thread, on that very subject.


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BJ's is a food warehouse up here in the Mid Atlantic.. I wonder who has their mind in the gutter now?

No worries, I read it, however, I am unfamiliar with Islamic neighborhoods in the UK. The ones I know of in the US would probably be pretty apathetic mainly because a lot of the Islamic enclaves are followers of a sect of Islam that is forbidden from engaging in violence. Oddly.. this makes them heretical which is why they are in the US (asylum). This strange strange world we live in eh?

I've got Muslim guys who work for me.. They know I'm gay, they know I'm their boss.. They don't care what I do in my bedroom, and they don't condemn my life.. Oddly, I've had trouble with the evangelical Christians, and have had to fire a couple because they refused to take direction from a "faggot".

Islamic neighbourhoods in UK do experience tension... there can be no denying that.... but overwhelmingly, our experience of Muslims is that of a peaceful people who whilst retaining their own religion and culture, are mostly integrated, happy additions to our society.

I don't fear Muslims, nor do I concern myself that their religion may express itself negatively. The way I see it, homosexuals successfully got our message across in a virulently Christian society, why shouldn't we be able to do the same with Islam if we show the same resilience and perseverance...?

We don't want to be in conflict with anybody and we are prepared to meet people half way. I will hold out the hand of friendship to anybody. I think Muslims... as with all other members of society... are accepting and tolerant, deep down. Show them respect, affection and human fellowship and they will give that back in return.

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BTW, congratulations on 40 years of gay liberation, London!

I don't find that odd. Evangelicals are essentially extremists of their professed faith. They'd be the equivalent of the Muttawa of Saudi Arabia (police of vice and virtue). The generic "muslim" doesn't care much about religion much as the generic "christian". Its the extremists we typically have problems with

Thank you. I wish I could have been there. I have friends in London who have been texting me saying what a great time they're having tonight.

The party is rocking..!!

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There is NOTHING like a good gay party!!! LOL

Sadly, I live in the land of the "mega church".. We've got churches that have parking for 6000, and BBQ trucks set up on the edges when services let out..

There are a lot of them here, and they're generally a pain in the ass..

Oddly they don't seem to have much problem with sex before marriage, divorce and adultery, but they'll defend marriage between a man and a woman to the bitter end.

I believe they're called hypocrites in the rest of the world.

The muslim populations in the US don't typically experience tension, especially pre 9/11. Post, it got weird and stupid because of general ignorance in that much like the president who reigned over 9/11, "murrikans" can't tell the difference between a Shia, Salafi, Soofi, Qaddiani, etc. To the ignorant masses of the USA, they're all "ragheads" such to the point that there were plenty of attacks against hindus simply because of the simple head dress. Makes me wonder wtf... but I digress



I don't fear muslims either. I just seem them as "alternatively" guided. Their view of homosexuality? Well, it depends on the nation. In theocratic ones such as Saudi, its death but when they are in nations like USA, the second gen tends to blend into the general populace and is absorbed into the melting pot. The younger group, the children of immigrants tend to be much more liberal than their parents thanks to the lack of ghettoization which I fear does seem to persist in the UK.



I don't think its "muslims" which are tolerant and accepting, rather I feel its people who are accepting despite of their dogmatic beliefs. The koran does frown seriously upon homosexuality much as christianity does. The fact is though, human pragmatism rears its head in the human psyche regardless. When homosexuals are protected and you cannot kill them outright, you are forced to deal with them. When forced to deal with them, you may come to realize that you actually like them, thus forcing you to question your dogma. We fear what we do not know, and we hate what we fear. If you come to know something, your fear dissolves and soon, so does your hate

And I would agree with you to the ends of the earth Hypocrisy of dogmatic followers is disgusting, a pox on the face of humanity

When My father marched 9 across the line in Arkansas. It was one of what he said was one of his greatest moments he truly believed that all would be equal someday. What a fool he was for teaching me that and what a fool I was for believing it.