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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 18:59:10#1
stumblinthrulife

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I've been in so many abortion "debates" (blazing rows) now, that I think I've heard every argument. My memory isn't perfect, but I've tried to save us all some time by creating the following "Abortion survey".

Now, instead of writing lengthy prose with a chance of misunderstanding, you can just complete and post this survey...


Timeline issues

When does a pregnancy become a human life?
[ ]At conception
[ ]At formation of brain
[ ]When heart is beating
[ ]When all organs are forms
After [ ] weeks of gestation
[ ]At birth
[ ]Other (specify)

For how many weeks after conception should abortion be allowed?
[ ] Weeks
[ ]unsure

Consent issues

Is abortion ok with the consent of the mother, but not the father?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be consulted?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mothers decision to abort?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mother's decision not to abort?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Heritage issues

Is abortion ok for rape victims?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the pregnancy is the result of incest?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok for unmarried mothers?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok for mothers unsure of the father of their child?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Health issues

Is abortion ok if the fetus will be significantly deformed? (ignoring at this point how we define "significantly" )

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy poses a significant risk to the mother's health?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the mother, but not the child?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the child but not the mother?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill both mother and child?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Lifestyle Issues

Is abortion ok if the mother feels she cannot adequately financially care for the child? (again, ignoring definition of "adequate" )

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother feels unfit to be a mother?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother does not feel ready to be a mother?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok with no stated reason?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure




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Edited: February 15, 2008 @ 21:53
New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:00:27#2
stumblinthrulife

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Happy to add anything that I missed.




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:01:31#3
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Wouldn't it be better if there was a private poll for this ? Has it will only more than likely cause more problems.




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:03:33#4
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queenofhearts said:
Wouldn't it be better if there was a private poll for this ? Has it will only more than likely cause more problems.


It's mostly actually intended as a collection of all abortion arguments, so everyone can see all the factors that are being taken into account. Most people focus on one or two aspects of the argument.

And no, it won't be better as a private poll.



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On April 16, 2008
New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:05:31#5
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Ok thanks




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:11:53#6
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I'll put a * to the one I agree with.

Timeline issues

When does a pregnancy become a human life?
[ ]At conception
[ ]At formation of brain
[*]When heart is beating
[ ]When all organs are forms
After [ ] weeks of gestation
[ ]At birth
[ ]Other (specify)

For how many weeks after conception should abortion be allowed?
[Not sure] Weeks

Consent issues

Is abortion ok with the consent of the mother, but not the father?

[ ]Yes
[*]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be consulted?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mothers decision to abort?

[ ]Yes
[*]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mother's decision not to abort?

[ ]Yes
[*]No
[ ]Unsure

Heritage issues

Is abortion ok for rape victims?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the pregnancy is the result of incest?

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[*]Unsure

Health issues

Is abortion ok if the fetus will be significantly deformed? (ignoring at this point how we define "significantly" )

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy poses a significant risk to the mother's health?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the mother, but not the child?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the child but not the mother?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill both mother and child?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Lifestyle Issues

Is abortion ok if the mother feels she cannot adequately financially care for the child? (again, ignoring definition of "adequate" )

[ ]Yes
[ ]No
[*]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother feels unfit to be a mother?

[ ]Yes
[*]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother does not feel ready to be a mother?

[*]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok with no stated reason?

[ ]Yes
[*]No
[ ]Unsure




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Edited: February 15, 2008 @ 19:12
New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:12:52#7
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Timeline issues

When does a pregnancy become a human life?
[ X ]At conception


For how many weeks after conception should abortion be allowed?
[ 0 ] Weeks

Consent issues

Is abortion ok with the consent of the mother, but not the father?


[ X ]No


Should the father be consulted?

[ X ]Yes

Should the father be able to overrule the mothers decision to abort?

[ X ]Yes


Should the father be able to overrule the mother's decision not to abort?


[ X ]No


Heritage issues

Is abortion ok for rape victims?


[ X ]Unsure


Is abortion ok if the pregnancy is the result of incest?


[ X ]Unsure


Health issues

Is abortion ok if the fetus will be significantly deformed? (ignoring at this point how we define "significantly" )


[ X ]No


Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy poses a significant risk to the mother's health?



[ X ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the mother, but not the child?



[ X ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the child but not the mother?



[ X ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill both mother and child?



[ X ]Unsure

Lifestyle Issues

Is abortion ok if the mother feels she cannot adequately financially care for the child? (again, ignoring definition of "adequate" )


[ X ]No


Is abortion ok if the mother feels unfit to be a mother?


[ X ]No


Is abortion ok if the mother does not feel ready to be a mother?


[ X ]No


Is abortion ok with no stated reason?


[ X ]No




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:16:18#8
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Thank you spiderswing432, Thank you USA. As I imagined it's absolutely fascinating to get such a clear insight into a person's views on the matter, without having to extract it from emotional prose.

I'd love to see other responses.




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:16:56#9
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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:20:12#10
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This is easier than arguing about abortion.




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Edited: February 15, 2008 @ 19:21
New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:22:55#11
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I've been in so many abortion "debates" (blazing rows) now, that I think I've heard every argument. My memory isn't perfect, but I've tried to save us all some time by creating the following "Abortion survey".

Now, instead of writing lengthy prose with a chance of misunderstanding, you can just complete and post this survey...


Timeline issues

When does a pregnancy become a human life?
[x]At conception
[ ]At formation of brain
[ ]When heart is beating
[ ]When all organs are forms
After [ ] weeks of gestation
[ ]At birth
[ ]Other (specify)

For how many weeks after conception should abortion be allowed?
[0] Weeks

Consent issues

Is abortion ok with the consent of the mother, but not the father?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be consulted?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mothers decision to abort?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mother's decision not to abort?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Heritage issues

Is abortion ok for rape victims?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the pregnancy is the result of incest?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok for unmarried mothers?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok for mothers unsure of the father of their child?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Health issues

Is abortion ok if the fetus will be significantly deformed? (ignoring at this point how we define "significantly" )

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy poses a significant risk to the mother's health?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the mother, but not the child?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the child but not the mother?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill both mother and child?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Lifestyle Issues

Is abortion ok if the mother feels she cannot adequately financially care for the child? (again, ignoring definition of "adequate" )

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother feels unfit to be a mother?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother does not feel ready to be a mother?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok with no stated reason?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:24:14#12
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Timeline issues

When does a pregnancy become a human life?
[ ]At conception
[ ]At formation of brain
[ ]When heart is beating
[ ]When all organs are forms
After [ ] weeks of gestation
[x]At birth
[ ]Other (specify)

For how many weeks after conception should abortion be allowed?
[30] Weeks

Consent issues

Is abortion ok with the consent of the mother, but not the father?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be consulted?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mothers decision to abort?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Should the father be able to overrule the mother's decision not to abort?

[ ]Yes
[x]No
[ ]Unsure

Heritage issues

Is abortion ok for rape victims?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the pregnancy is the result of incest?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok for unmarried mothers?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok for mothers unsure of the father of their child?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Health issues

Is abortion ok if the fetus will be significantly deformed? (ignoring at this point how we define "significantly" )

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy poses a significant risk to the mother's health?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the mother, but not the child?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill the child but not the mother?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if full term pregnancy could kill both mother and child?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Lifestyle Issues

Is abortion ok if the mother feels she cannot adequately financially care for the child? (again, ignoring definition of "adequate" )

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother feels unfit to be a mother?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok if the mother does not feel ready to be a mother?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure

Is abortion ok with no stated reason?

[x]Yes
[ ]No
[ ]Unsure




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:26:22#13
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OK, so now we know to not lock Raditz and Operaghost in an elevator with nothing but some abortion literature to stimulate conversation!




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:28:18#14
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I don't think I've ever actually met someone with views like operaghost's.




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New Post! Feb 15, 2008 @ 19:30:23#15
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stumblinthrulife said:
OK, so now we know to not lock Raditz and Operaghost in an elevator with nothing but some abortion literature to stimulate conversation!


Like fire and ice. lol



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