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restoreone On January 30, 2022




, Ohio
#151New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 15:32:17
@boxer Said

Let's see... When they built Nationals stadium, they tore down a bunch of abandoned warehouses, whorehouses, and strip clubs. They took an inner city neighborhood that was blighted to put it nicely, and they brought in a gorgeous new ballpark, which was followed by apartment buildings, office buildings condos, shops, theaters, and music venues.

What was a drain on the city a decade ago is now a booming vibrant part of the city where people from all over the world come to have a good time and spend money, and vacant buildings that were a drain on the tax base and infrastructure are now filled and paying their fair share.

In addition, the stadium is sold out for nearly every game , and food vendors bid at auction to get spots inside. It is immensely profitable, in a space that generated zero revenue for the city before it was built.

Study inner city economics before you make such a foolish statement again.



Lie number one
You have not sold out your stadium Nearly every game as you state.The stadium holds a little over 41,000 people.The Best Year you have had is an average attendance of a little over 33,000 per game. That over 8,000 empty seats per game. Try again I can provide a link to MLB stats if you would like me to prove my statement.


You really need to study fiance as I said before!!!!
Then we can move on to cause and effect of the entertainment dollar spent.

By the way I used to be all for building new Stadiums until I sit down and really looked at the numbers.
boxer On June 16, 2016

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, Zimbabwe
#152New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:14:50
@restoreone Said

Lie number one
You have not sold out your stadium Nearly every game as you state.The stadium holds a little over 41,000 people.The Best Year you have had is an average attendance of a little over 33,000 per game. That over 8,000 empty seats per game. Try again I can provide a link to MLB stats if you would like me to prove my statement.


You really need to study fiance as I said before!!!!
Then we can move on to cause and effect of the entertainment dollar spent.

By the way I used to be all for building new Stadiums until I sit down and really looked at the numbers.


Honey, I have half season tickets, which works out to more than forty games a year. Do you honestly think I have time to go to all of them, and do you honestly think that I can sell my seats every time I don't go?

The overwhelming majority of the seats in the 100 and 200 sections are paid for by people like me, and quite frankly I'm surprised that it's only 8000 seats per game, because it seems like more than that when I'm there.

That said, You're claiming that having 33,000 people come into town 2 or three nights a week for 20 weeks is somehow a bad thing for the city. Let's take a look at that.

1)A large majority of fans take METRO, so the impact on roads and bridges is minimal, and the extra revenue to the mass transit system is a big bonus. These people also drink at bars, eat at restaurants, and shop in stores that didn't exist before the stadium was built.

2)33,000 people eating, drinking and shopping are paying 5.75% sales tax. I can guarantee that the people who visited the whorehouses that occupied the spot that the stadium is now on didn't pay sales tax. I can also guarantee that the numbers of attendees were far lower.

3)Property values (and therefore property taxes) in the area have gone up dramatically, some by as much as 800%, and one look at the number of tower cranes in the area building new apartments, hotels, offices and condominiums shows that trend is not over. The average sale price for a unit in the area runs between $320 and $590 per square foot

4) That's a lot of new construction, which means a lot of jobs for people in the construction industry and lots of work for people who make and provide construction materials and equipment.


5)The area is no longer a food desert. Before the stadium was built, the few residents of the area had no grocery stores, and very limited access to any opportunity to buy fresh produce. The closest green grocer was nearly a mile away. Now there are a number of groceries, as well as clothing stores, pharmacies, restaurants, parks, and recreational venues for both the old and the new residents. Residents over the age of 60 are exempt from any property tax increases, so there's no danger of being forced out by gentrification, and residents of the zip code get steep discounts on tickets to games.

6)Crime has dropped dramatically. In less than 10 years, the area has gone from one of the worst in DC to one of the best. This means less use of city resources, and a better quality of life.


As for the cause and effect of entertainment dollars, there was "entertainment" there before the stadium, in the form of strip clubs and whorehouses... How much did they contribute to the local economy, and do you think the stadium, and the associated luxury condos, restaurants and shops, in addition to the boom in tourism works out better or worse for the city?

To sum it up, not all of the benefits of having a stadium come from the stadium directly, so I hope that you now understand that you can't simply look at "entertainment finance" and get a true picture of what a well placed and thoughtfully planned stadium can do for a city and it's economy.

I would have expected more from you, but I guess your hatred of me and your flaming desire to prove me wrong blinded you.
yami On September 11, 2016

Banned



grimsby, United Kingdom
#153New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:24:36
@boxer Said

Honey, I have half season tickets, which works out to more than forty games a year. Do you honestly think I have time to go to all of them, and do you honestly think that I can sell my seats every time I don't go?

The overwhelming majority of the seats in the 100 and 200 sections are paid for by people like me, and quite frankly I'm surprised that it's only 8000 seats per game, because it seems like more than that when I'm there.

That said, You're claiming that having 33,000 people come into town 2 or three nights a week for 20 weeks is somehow a bad thing for the city. Let's take a look at that.

1)A large majority of fans take METRO, so the impact on roads and bridges is minimal, and the extra revenue to the mass transit system is a big bonus. These people also drink at bars, eat at restaurants, and shop in stores that didn't exist before the stadium was built.

2)33,000 people eating, drinking and shopping are paying 5.75% sales tax. I can guarantee that the people who visited the whorehouses that occupied the spot that the stadium is now on didn't pay sales tax. I can also guarantee that the numbers of attendees were far lower.

3)Property values (and therefore property taxes) in the area have gone up dramatically, some by as much as 800%, and one look at the number of tower cranes in the area building new apartments, hotels, offices and condominiums shows that trend is not over. The average sale price for a unit in the area runs between $320 and $590 per square foot

4) That's a lot of new construction, which means a lot of jobs for people in the construction industry and lots of work for people who make and provide construction materials and equipment.


5)The area is no longer a food desert. Before the stadium was built, the few residents of the area had no grocery stores, and very limited access to any opportunity to buy fresh produce. The closest green grocer was nearly a mile away. Now there are a number of groceries, as well as clothing stores, pharmacies, restaurants, parks, and recreational venues for both the old and the new residents. Residents over the age of 60 are exempt from any property tax increases, so there's no danger of being forced out by gentrification, and residents of the zip code get steep discounts on tickets to games.

6)Crime has dropped dramatically. In less than 10 years, the area has gone from one of the worst in DC to one of the best. This means less use of city resources, and a better quality of life.


As for the cause and effect of entertainment dollars, there was "entertainment" there before the stadium, in the form of strip clubs and whorehouses... How much did they contribute to the local economy, and do you think the stadium, and the associated luxury condos, restaurants and shops, in addition to the boom in tourism works out better or worse for the city?

To sum it up, not all of the benefits of having a stadium come from the stadium directly, so I hope that you now understand that you can't simply look at "entertainment finance" and get a true picture of what a well placed and thoughtfully planned stadium can do for a city and it's economy.

I would have expected more from you, but I guess your hatred of me and your flaming desire to prove me wrong blinded you.


I think the point is that this stadium is taking money away from the casinos, especially the first nation ones, which is a bad thing.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#154New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:40:02
@yami Said

I think the point is that this stadium is taking money away from the casinos, especially the first nation ones, which is a bad thing.


Me thinks you overreach.........
yami On September 11, 2016

Banned



grimsby, United Kingdom
#155New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:40:47
@shinobinoz Said

Me thinks you overreach.........



Sir I bow down to you in that department!
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#156New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:48:39
@yami Said

Sir I bow down to you in that department!


While you're down there if you don't mind.......
yami On September 11, 2016

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grimsby, United Kingdom
#157New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:50:08
@shinobinoz Said

While you're down there if you don't mind.......



I think you are confusing me with Boxer, but if you have a $20 bill, 1-2-3, remember the Alamo...
boxer On June 16, 2016

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, Zimbabwe
#158New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 19:54:23
@yami Said

I think you are confusing me with Boxer, but if you have a $20 bill, 1-2-3, remember the Alamo...


I wouldn't touch it with Jenny's mouth.
yami On September 11, 2016

Banned



grimsby, United Kingdom
#159New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 23:00:16
@boxer Said

I wouldn't touch it with Jenny's mouth.



Even Shino has standards!
restoreone On January 30, 2022




, Ohio
#160New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 23:10:48
@boxer Said

Honey, I have half season tickets, which works out to more than forty games a year. Do you honestly think I have time to go to all of them, and do you honestly think that I can sell my seats every time I don't go?

The overwhelming majority of the seats in the 100 and 200 sections are paid for by people like me, and quite frankly I'm surprised that it's only 8000 seats per game, because it seems like more than that when I'm there.

That said, You're claiming that having 33,000 people come into town 2 or three nights a week for 20 weeks is somehow a bad thing for the city. Let's take a look at that.

1)A large majority of fans take METRO, so the impact on roads and bridges is minimal, and the extra revenue to the mass transit system is a big bonus. These people also drink at bars, eat at restaurants, and shop in stores that didn't exist before the stadium was built.

2)33,000 people eating, drinking and shopping are paying 5.75% sales tax. I can guarantee that the people who visited the whorehouses that occupied the spot that the stadium is now on didn't pay sales tax. I can also guarantee that the numbers of attendees were far lower.

3)Property values (and therefore property taxes) in the area have gone up dramatically, some by as much as 800%, and one look at the number of tower cranes in the area building new apartments, hotels, offices and condominiums shows that trend is not over. The average sale price for a unit in the area runs between $320 and $590 per square foot

4) That's a lot of new construction, which means a lot of jobs for people in the construction industry and lots of work for people who make and provide construction materials and equipment.


5)The area is no longer a food desert. Before the stadium was built, the few residents of the area had no grocery stores, and very limited access to any opportunity to buy fresh produce. The closest green grocer was nearly a mile away. Now there are a number of groceries, as well as clothing stores, pharmacies, restaurants, parks, and recreational venues for both the old and the new residents. Residents over the age of 60 are exempt from any property tax increases, so there's no danger of being forced out by gentrification, and residents of the zip code get steep discounts on tickets to games.

6)Crime has dropped dramatically. In less than 10 years, the area has gone from one of the worst in DC to one of the best. This means less use of city resources, and a better quality of life.


As for the cause and effect of entertainment dollars, there was "entertainment" there before the stadium, in the form of strip clubs and whorehouses... How much did they contribute to the local economy, and do you think the stadium, and the associated luxury condos, restaurants and shops, in addition to the boom in tourism works out better or worse for the city?

To sum it up, not all of the benefits of having a stadium come from the stadium directly, so I hope that you now understand that you can't simply look at "entertainment finance" and get a true picture of what a well placed and thoughtfully planned stadium can do for a city and it's economy.

I would have expected more from you, but I guess your hatred of me and your flaming desire to prove me wrong blinded you.


So you have been reading up on my suggestion good.

It is not the stadium but what is going on around it. All of those things could have been done without spending 611 million for the stadium. The stadium is not the Horse but the cart putting a drag on everything around it.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#161New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 23:17:31
@boxer Said

Honey, I have half season tickets, which works out to more than forty games a year. Do you honestly think I have time to go to all of them, and do you honestly think that I can sell my seats every time I don't go?

The overwhelming majority of the seats in the 100 and 200 sections are paid for by people like me, and quite frankly I'm surprised that it's only 8000 seats per game, because it seems like more than that when I'm there.

That said, You're claiming that having 33,000 people come into town 2 or three nights a week for 20 weeks is somehow a bad thing for the city. Let's take a look at that.

1)A large majority of fans take METRO, so the impact on roads and bridges is minimal, and the extra revenue to the mass transit system is a big bonus. These people also drink at bars, eat at restaurants, and shop in stores that didn't exist before the stadium was built.

2)33,000 people eating, drinking and shopping are paying 5.75% sales tax. I can guarantee that the people who visited the whorehouses that occupied the spot that the stadium is now on didn't pay sales tax. I can also guarantee that the numbers of attendees were far lower.

3)Property values (and therefore property taxes) in the area have gone up dramatically, some by as much as 800%, and one look at the number of tower cranes in the area building new apartments, hotels, offices and condominiums shows that trend is not over. The average sale price for a unit in the area runs between $320 and $590 per square foot

4) That's a lot of new construction, which means a lot of jobs for people in the construction industry and lots of work for people who make and provide construction materials and equipment.


5)The area is no longer a food desert. Before the stadium was built, the few residents of the area had no grocery stores, and very limited access to any opportunity to buy fresh produce. The closest green grocer was nearly a mile away. Now there are a number of groceries, as well as clothing stores, pharmacies, restaurants, parks, and recreational venues for both the old and the new residents. Residents over the age of 60 are exempt from any property tax increases, so there's no danger of being forced out by gentrification, and residents of the zip code get steep discounts on tickets to games.

6)Crime has dropped dramatically. In less than 10 years, the area has gone from one of the worst in DC to one of the best. This means less use of city resources, and a better quality of life.


As for the cause and effect of entertainment dollars, there was "entertainment" there before the stadium, in the form of strip clubs and whorehouses... How much did they contribute to the local economy, and do you think the stadium, and the associated luxury condos, restaurants and shops, in addition to the boom in tourism works out better or worse for the city?

To sum it up, not all of the benefits of having a stadium come from the stadium directly, so I hope that you now understand that you can't simply look at "entertainment finance" and get a true picture of what a well placed and thoughtfully planned stadium can do for a city and it's economy.

I would have expected more from you, but I guess your hatred of me and your flaming desire to prove me wrong blinded you.


They talked about an economic impact to downtown Cleveland when Labron wasn't playing for the Cavs...
restoreone On January 30, 2022




, Ohio
#162New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 23:18:51
@yami Said

I think the point is that this stadium is taking money away from the casinos, especially the first nation ones, which is a bad thing.


Dead Wrong

I have stated many times here and on the REZ. I hate the fact that My People use a poison to attract others to spend money. I hate what alcohol has done to My People! No way in the world would I condone My people Using another poison to aid in the destruction others lives and their families.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#163New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 23:25:07
@yami Said

I think the point is that this stadium is taking money away from the casinos, especially the first nation ones, which is a bad thing.


Now that I can see as a complaint by someone. But isn't it better for the community if the money were to be spread around to the multiple smaller businesses as entertainment (and consumption) dollars, rather than being sucked down by some f***ing computer owned by a billionaire?

EDITED: Yes (Restoreone), I thought about the smaller and "different goal" casinos, I'm just talking about big corp casinos
restoreone On January 30, 2022




, Ohio
#164New Post! Jan 09, 2016 @ 23:25:28
@mrmhead Said

They talked about an economic impact to downtown Cleveland when Labron wasn't playing for the Cavs...


A losing team does have some effect on spending of the entertainment dollar.

That is why they have gone to the warehouse district and now the rebuilding of the flats.Sports teams won't have much of an effect on those areas as they are entertainment areas in their own right.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#165New Post! Jan 10, 2016 @ 01:27:24
@yami Said

I think you are confusing me with Boxer, but if you have a $20 bill, 1-2-3, remember the Alamo...


I woulda pulled for the Mexicans!
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