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Random thought for the moment...
March 01, 2010 @ 12:49:13 pm
Evolution.

There have been many arguments along the lines of Evolution V. Religion. And yeah probably been done in a thread before. But this isn't a thread, it's just something that came to me earlier, so if you want to read it do so. If not, leave now.

EVERYTHING humans do with pretty much everything is to make something easier for us. Evolving a product. From the first telephone, and first cameras, written letters and so on and so forth, have now all evolved into ONE device, the 'mobile phones' we have of today. From early film to the LED Tv's and Blue Ray players. From the abacus to super computers, hell, from the quill to the ball point pen even...these are products that have evolved by the hand of man. And merely just an example.

Now is this to say that evolving things, or evolution is part of our nature? Why is that so? Is it because ourselves are constantly evolving? With the way we see the potential in things, the way we want things to be? Our technological advancements that cause things to evolve. Do we want them to evolve AROUND us, or as a being, are we causing them to evolve WITH us?

On the same hand, even religion has evolved over the years. From Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu, to things such as Scientology, and even Jedi is now legally classed as a religion....but that's another thread all together

The only things that do NOT seem to evolve, are religions themselves....To an extent. But they are still based on the same principles from thousands of years back. For example, the bible, apparently it's the same as it always was, and people with argue that it in fact has NOT been lost in translation, and therefore has not evolved. And for example, the basic principles of the quill and inkwell HAVE evolved, from being something you need to dip into an ink well to be able to write with to an item that is readily available to write with no matter where you are. Sure you still need to have ink IN the pen. But if you didn't you would've thrown it out by then and bought a new one...well I would've anyway.

A better example is the first computers. Technically the first computers were the abacus'. Purely used for the tracking of numbers. Yet now, computers can be used to do pretty much anything.

There may be an argument for evolution, as generation by generation, people keep getting taller, and generally living longer...this could be put down to either evolution, or the foods we are eating. Using such things as growth hormones in chickens as an example. But if this is the case, and WE are causing ourselves to grow taller, and live longer, surely that's self inflicted evolution....which to me seems like a natural process of evolution.

All this being said, and with the documentation of animals (human AND non human) evolving, and the fact that religion itself has evolved and grown. How can religions still stand by the statement that god created us? Christianity for example. God created us in HIS image...Are we not evolving? Are we not causing things around us TO evolve? If this is the case, are we all evolving from Adam and Eve? Or were Adam and Eve the first to creatures to evolve into human form?

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that, religion, (which has evolved itself) discredits Darwin's theory of evolution, is also the one thing that also states that it has NOT evolved over time??

If we witness something happening around us on a daily basis, and in a group of 10 people only 1 says it's not happening....who is right in this instance? I know what I'm more than likely going to lean towards.

You might say I'm just following the group....well if I'm following the group, it's only because I have seen what they have seen with my OWN eyes.

What do YOUR eyes see?

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Erimitus

New Post! March 01, 2010 @ 01:41:44 pm
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EVERYTHING humans do with pretty much everything is to make something easier for us.

Evolving a product.

E: Evolving is a process; the evolved is the product.

From the first telephone, and first cameras, written letters and so on and so forth, have now all evolved into ONE device, the 'mobile phones' we have of today.

E: OK

From early film to the LED Tv's and Blue Ray players. From the abacus to super computers, hell, from the quill to the ball point pen even...these are products that have evolved by the hand of man; and merely just an example.

Now is this to say that evolving things or evolution is part of our nature?

E: Seems to be.

Why is that so?

E: Those who adapt survive to pass on their genes.

Is it because our selves are constantly evolving?

E: yes

With the way we see the potential in things, the way we want things to be?

E: I do not understand what you mean.

Our technological advancements that cause things to evolve?

Do we want them to evolve AROUND us, or as a being, are we causing them to evolve WITH us?

E: Ahhh, now that is a good question. It seems to me that our volitional actions interfere with natural causality and are an influence on evolution. Good point. I had not thought of that.

On the same hand, even religion has evolved over the years.

E: Yes, religion would not have survived if it had not adapted to change.

From Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hindu, to things such as Scientology, and even Jedi is now legally classed as a religion....but that's another thread all together

E: I did not know that Jedi was a religion. I will goggle it.

The only things that do NOT seem to evolve, are religions themselves....To an extent. But they are still based on the same principles from thousands of years back.

E: yes

For example, the bible, apparently it's the same as it always was, and people with argue that it in fact has NOT been lost in translation, and therefore has not evolved.

E: there are many different interpretations and they change (evolve) over time.

And for example, the basic principles of the quill and inkwell HAVE evolved, from being something you need to dip into an ink well to be able to write with to an item that is readily available to write with no matter where you are. Sure you still need to have ink IN the pen. But if you didn't you would've thrown it out by then and bought a new one...well I would've anyway.

E: Good analogy, I think I will steal it when you are not lookin?

A better example is the first computers. Technically the first computers were the abacus'. Purely used for the tracking of numbers. Yet now, computers can be used to do pretty much anything.

E: arguable

There may be an argument for evolution, as generation by generation, people keep getting taller, and generally living longer...this could be put down to either evolution, or the foods we are eating. Using such things as growth hormones in chickens as an example. But if this is the case, and WE are causing ourselves to grow taller, and live longer, surely that's self inflicted evolution....which to me seems like a natural process of evolution.

E: ?Self inflicted evolution?, seems like an artificial process to me. Self inflicting is volitional and volition is artificial. There are those who believe that every thing is natural and I respect that belief even though I do not agree with it.

All this being said, and with the documentation of animals (human AND non human) evolving, and the fact that religion itself has evolved and grown. How can religions still stand by the statement that god created us?

E: I do not know? Maybe the bible tells them so.

Christianity for example. God created us in HIS image...Are we not evolving? Are we not causing things around us TO evolve? If this is the case, are we all evolving from Adam and Eve? Or were Adam and Eve the first two creatures to evolve into human form?

E: It does seem a contradiction. I believe the story goes that Adam was made out of mud and Eve was made out of Adam?s rib. Eve is kind of an Adam cutlet.

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that, religion, (which has evolved itself) discredits Darwin's theory of evolution, is also the one thing that also states that it has NOT evolved over time??

E: The bible does not seem to support evolution. I have a friend who is an inveterate thumper. He has pretty much memorized the whole book. I will email him and ask what he thinks.

If we witness something happening around us on a daily basis, and in a group of 10 people only 1 says it's not happening....who is right in this instance? I know what I'm more than likely going to lean towards.

E: Each observer sees an event from their own perspective and each will experience an event differently. I can think of no reason to accept or deny any one over another. Could be the one who did not did not see the event was the only one who took his medication.

You might say I'm just following the group....well if I'm following the group; it's only because I have seen what they have seen with my OWN eyes.

E: A good lemming always follows the group. A wise lemming does so very cautiously.

What do YOUR eyes see?

E: Well actually it is the brain that sees and it sees electro-chemical pulses that are integrated with what is known (believed) and experienced as perception. Mostly I see what I expect to see and disregard the rest.

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