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egalitarian democratic ideas are actually authoritarian when they oppose the right of people to be racist, sexist, and homophobic
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Erimitus
| @mrmhead Said
To venture into extremism, wouldn't "Egalitarian Democrat" be an oxymoron?
Rule and law by the majority could suppress the rights and freedoms of the minority.
actually, an egalitarian democrat is redundant.
Egalitarian = equality of all people
Democrat = social equality (everyone votes - the majority rules)
Not sure why I wrote it that way. |
mrmhead
| @Erimitus Said actually, an egalitarian democrat is redundant.
Egalitarian = equality of all people
Democrat = social equality (everyone votes - the majority rules)
Not sure why I wrote it that way.
If you willingly give up your free will (follow the rules of the majority), do you still have free will?
If I use my free will to break the rules, and am punished for it, which further limits my freedom - did I still have free will.
If I choose to follow the rules, even if I don't agree with them, do I still have free will?
As once being a paid consultant, I can positively say It Depends!
EDIT: Oops. I quoted the wrong post. And on re-read, I see I was being redundant and repetitious.
I also kind of repeated myself.
Re-Edit - There, I fixed it. |
Erimitus
| Mr. If you willingly give up your free will (follow the rules of the majority), do you still have free will?
Mike: people who chose to follow the rules do so of their own free will..
Mr. If I use my free will to break the rules, and am punished for it, which further limits my freedom - did I still have free will.
Mike: Yes
Mr. If I choose to follow the rules, even if I don't agree with them, do I still have free will?
Mike: if you are able to choose between alternatives you have free will.
Mr.As once being a paid consultant, I can positively say It Depends!
Mike: indeed
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chaski
Stalker
| @Erimitus Said egalitarian democratic ideas are actually authoritarian when they oppose the right of people to be racist, sexist, and homophobic
Are you suggesting that "egalitarian democratic ideas" actually take away people's free will?
It seems to me that "egalitarian democratic ideas" do not remove peoples' free will, but rather suggest that people use their free will in more socially productive and responsible ways as opposed to choosing to use their free will to practice anti social behaviors. |
chaski
Stalker
| @mrmhead Said
If you willingly give up your free will (follow the rules of the majority), do you still have free will?
If I use my free will to break the rules, and am punished for it, which further limits my freedom - did I still have free will.
If I choose to follow the rules, even if I don't agree with them, do I still have free will?
As once being a paid consultant, I can positively say It Depends!
EDIT: Oops. I quoted the wrong post. And on re-read, I see I was being redundant and repetitious.
I also kind of repeated myself.
Re-Edit - There, I fixed it.
If you willingly give up your free will (follow the rules of the majority), do you still have free will?
Yes. You can willingly choose at any time to no longer "give up" your free will.
If I use my free will to break the rules, and am punished for it, which further limits my freedom - did I still have free will.
No. In this scenario you willingly chose to exercise you free will. Unfortunately your decision broke the law, which means that you willingly chose to give up your future free will.
If I choose to follow the rules, even if I don't agree with them, do I still have free will?
Yes. You willingly chose a course of action, which you can willingly choose to decide to no longer follow.
A former supervisor of mine used to say, "You can do anything once. Depending on the action and the law, your actions might result in the loss of your ability to do just about anything else." |
Erimitus
| @Erimitus Said
egalitarian democratic ideas are actually authoritarian when they oppose the right of people to be racist, sexist, and homophobic
C: Are you suggesting that "egalitarian democratic ideas" actually take away people's free will?
E: Taking away rights is authoritarian.
C: It seems to me that "egalitarian democratic ideas" do not remove peoples' free will…
E: agreed
C: [egalitarian democratic ideas] suggest that people use their free will in more socially productive and responsible ways…
E: I do not disagree that people should use their free will in socially predictive and responsible ways.
E: in a democracy, the majority can impose its will on the minority. The racist, sexist and homophobic minority can have a morality forced on them. The minority, as I see it, have a right to have and state their beliefs. I am NOT suggesting that the minority has the right to act in a way inconsistent with the law or to interfere with the rights of those they do not agree with …but the law should not restrict freedom of the minority to believe what they believe. .
C: …as opposed to choosing to use their free will to practice anti social behaviors.
E: I believe that the minority should be allowed to practice antisocial behaviors as long as those behaviors do not interfere with the rights of others. I believe I should have the right to dislike brown, female lesbians. I am not saying that I do only that if I did it is my right. |
Erimitus
| @Electric_Banana Said
Yup
"Lawful-Evil"
Those taking the stance of 'The Righteous' to be mistaken as the better authority, over what is right and wrong, and then using that power and control to inflict injustice.
Often times the Lawful-Evil don't truly realize they are in the wrong
Most people will respect and abide by the lawful evil without caution or question
The Lawful-Evil are addicted to their alignment and attitudes as it feeds their ego with fake recognition, fake respect, fake sense of purpose and the means to help avoid confronting their own crimes and mistakes
"Lawful-Evil"
Those taking the stance of 'The Righteous' to be mistaken as the better authority, over what is right and wrong, and then using that power and control to inflict injustice.
Banana: Often times the Lawful-Evil don't truly realize they are in the wrong
Mike: There are those who use the law in order to inflict unnecessary harm. I would agree that that is wrong. When the lawful-evil unintentionally benefits rather that harms the act is still evil. It is the intention not the consequence that decides.
Banana: Most people will respect and abide by the lawful evil without caution or question
Mike: I suppose you are correct.
Banana: The Lawful-Evil are addicted to their alignment and attitudes as it feeds their ego with fake recognition, fake respect, fake sense of purpose and the means to help avoid confronting their own crimes and mistakes
Mike: indeed. |
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