so all religions are equal??????????/

A bit long and takes a bit of thinking but worth the effort

Subject: Denmark

Think about this folks, does it sound plausible that this could also happen to us?
This is certainly NOT a joke but a serious dilemma in what we refer to as the ?free world?. A little niggling here and there starting with ?shots? at our most important Christian Holiday of Christmas then demands for equality even though they have not contributed or assimilated into their ?new? homeland. We as peace loving citizens sit back and let them badger us and cluck our tongues and say ?we should do something about this? but in reality we do nothing.
At least pass this on, it helps to ?vent?.
LR

In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark.

But in 1978 - even in Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants. The
Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its
way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of
socialist liberalism - one in development since the conservatives had lost
power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where
one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western
nation at the time. The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as
free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare
policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a
superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered
the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments
from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and
education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and
multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series
of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave
dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to multiculturalism
would come back to bite?
By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its
unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years of
immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim
leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of
Denmark's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel
slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their
long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in
equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride
in Danish heritage and history.
The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars
Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant
problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:
"Muslim immigrants..constitute 5 percent of the population but consume
upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending."
"Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a
majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue
given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similar, if
lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes."
"Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to
mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only
5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane."
"Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male
cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on
pain of death - are one problem."
"Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once
Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect.
If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant
of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim."
It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that
Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An example
is the phenomenon common to other European countries and the U.S.: some
Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been murdered in
the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives. Jews are also
threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in Denmark, a country where
once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all of their 7,000 Jews
by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I think of my Danish
friend Elsa - who as a teenager had dreaded crossing the street to the
bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers - and I
wonder what she would say today.
In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70 years
- one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal unfettered
immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe.
( Its effort to protect itself has been met with accusations of "racism" by
liberal media across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right
the social problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.) If you wish to
become Danish, you must attend three years of language classes. You must
pass a test on Denmark's history, culture, and a Danish language test. You
must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship. You must
demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting. If you wish to bring
a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24 years of age, and you won't
find it so easy anymore to move your friends and family to Denmark with you.
You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen. Although your
children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in
Denmark, they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish society in
ways that past immigrants weren't.
In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen,
spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare
system, and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had
calculated that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75
percent of the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming
decades would be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system as it
existed was being exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually
bankrupting the government. "We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on
immigration. The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and
show how unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now," he
said.
A large thorn in the side of Denmark's imams is the Minister of
Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the
new policy toward immigration, "The number of foreigners coming to the
country makes a difference," Hvilsh

did you just write all that?

Only if he can type at 1877.22 wpm

Seriously though, I don't think the intent was to claim it as his own work.

oh i was just wondering lol..

OK, I read the blurb. I read all about Denmark's extreme xenophobia and how Denmark's citizens are doing all they can to prevent Muslim immigration without causing *too many* cries of racism.

What's your point, though?

That's interesting.

It is something I have read different cases of this happening globally.

Personally, I don't like Islam. I don't like Islam at all. and it's a shame denmark may have to religiously group people and discriminate, but it has shown time and time again that is a religion that does not intergrate well into leftist society's.

Isn't it funny, that the leftists are becoming conservatives to their old ways. Ohh the irony.

Why do followers of Islam have to "integrate well" into society?

Answer with a question perhaps....

Can a society exist if within that society, there is a large and growing minority which reject the values which formed that society?

Would it then be right if the host society was to object to their hard worked for benefits going to people who don't even like them - if of course the accusation that some incomers are leeching is true, which is what many are saying.

I read that it's like if someone was to come into your home, not on your own invitation, but because someone else (meaning a politician perhaps) said they could. They then sat on your sofa, helping themselves to your beers, and in return, gave you violent looks and insulted you.
Would anyone on here allow someone who hated them into their home?

What must be said though, is that such reports must be taken with more than a pinch of salt. Often statements on immigration are made by those with an axe to grind - on both sides.
There is long overdue an honest debate on this, but it seems to be a "taboo" subject. Anyone who dares suggest it is immediately pounced on by politicians and pressure groups as a racist or xenophobe.
Frankly, their fear of debate - well, what does that make anyone think?

Yes.

It is a democracy, isn't it? People must be free to believe what they want to believe, congregate as they want to congregate, build whatever churches or mosques they want to build, etc.

Anything else is oppression.



The "host society"? There is no "host society." You make it sound like Muslims are parasites that feed on the "host society." There' just society that's made up of people.


Comparing immigration to home invasion and stealing is a worthless, meritless comparison.

These people are immigrating, not stealing. They are settling, not invading.

No reason at all if they stay in Islamic countrys. Canada is a nation of immigrants. The reason people want to come here is because of the richness of the country, it's society and it's freedom of religion, language and politics.
If any group of people want to immigrate to this country and foster those freedoms, fine. We do not ask that they give up their religion but we do want them to integrate into the country's society without changing the basic structure and without intrusion on our beliefs. When they arrive and try to change our laws to suit their religious laws, changes that impinge on the freedoms of ALL Canadians including the freedom of their own people--- we object and will not allow the changes. Recently the Islamic population decided that they would petition the Provincial government of Ontario to allow them to use Sherria (sp) law.
This was refused because, under that law (we already have Canadian laws and don't need any imports from the Arabic countrys thanks) the rights of women were limited to subhuman lever.
It encourages female circumcision which is a mutilation forbidden in civilized countrys, allows marriage at the age of 6 year old females, demands that women wear the Burka (sp) and gives the female NO rights in case of divorce.
It also gives the male a right to a divorce with NO legal grounds at any time with no recourse to the courts for the woman support of the woman, makes it impossible for the woman to keep custody of the kids and on and on, degrading the female to a level of less than that of a household pet.
If Islamic people want to have the same laws and customs here that exist in their "home" country I invite them to return there by fastest method and stay in their backward country forever. We don't want our great land changed to Iraq 2, Iran the second Saudi Canada and we will do what is necessary to ensure that.

imb4u2, you have an extremely bleak opinion of immigrants, and for some reason seem to label them all as muslims, whereas most immigrants entering our country right now are from eastern european countries, therefore non-muslims.
many countries, including yours, were founded by immigrants, and even long established countries have thrived with an immigrant population.
of course there must be restrictions in place on the numbers of immigrants entering at any one time but above and beyond that i can only see most immigrant inclusion in society as a plus rather than a minus.
but i think that your main argument lies with those muslim communities whose integration into western societies is not as complete as you would wish.
the fact is that most moderate muslims are invisible to you and i in that they do integrate quite successfully into western societies, it is only the smallest fraction of muslims, namely the fundamentalists, who refuse to integrate on principle. and one could argue that there are jehovah's witnesses, and other extreme religious sects, who refuse similarly.
your posts do sound rather racist to me in that they are totally exaggerating a situation in order to justify your hatred.

i think that teh story shows how a once generous and welcoming country has has the piss taken out of it and been abused and used. no wonder they are tighteneing down their hatches.

seems completely alarmist to me.

the bold and brave generous and kind Danes getting screwed over by the insidious and sneaky Muslims,
reads like a bad children's story.

i think blaming problems on immigrants is an easy rallying point,in a few years they'll bankrupt the country
..no they won't,that's stupid.

basically i don't see the point of this,
lots of people emmigrated to denmark,have helped make the country what it is,now they've introduced new legislation to limit further increased immigration because they think its necessary,fine, thats their right.

the only point i have is that it's an abuse of rights not to allow them to built a mosque.

I don't understand why you want to treat Canadian society as some thing that is not made up of a conglomeration of immigrants.

Why do you want Muslim citizens and immigrants specifically excluded from the democratic process in your country? Because they don't agree with the majority? Isn't that the fundamental principle of democracy?

(wildthing--)
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I answered the question


by saying that:

Wild thing-- you seem to have a comprehension problem.
Nowhere did I infer that all immigrants were Islamic and