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markfox01 On October 29, 2018
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Welshman in Brum.., United Kin
#31New Post! Nov 24, 2009 @ 07:54:32
@vekta Said

The Krav Maga federation has a website that will give you the name and location of any and all certified training centers in your country. They hold seminars all over the world so you might want to check to see if there will be any in the UK.



Nice one mate, I will look into it. Have you seen systema? its a russian version of Krav Maga. In fact I cant see much difference.
vekta On November 18, 2013




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#32New Post! Nov 24, 2009 @ 08:18:19
@markfox01 Said

Nice one mate, I will look into it. Have you seen systema? its a russian version of Krav Maga. In fact I cant see much difference.



From what I understand about it there is more emphasis on utilizing pressure points and control over the body's limbs and joints.

Krav Maga is much more brutal and direct, focusing on any way to brutally attacking your enemy with the intention of either maiming or killing them.

Systema sounds like it would be good to add to the bag of tools. Unfortunately I have never seen nor even heard of a Systema school around here. I had a hard enough time finding a Krav Maga training site.
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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, Rhode Island
#33New Post! Nov 26, 2009 @ 05:25:16
@vekta Said

From what I understand about it there is more emphasis on utilizing pressure points and control over the body's limbs and joints.

Krav Maga is much more brutal and direct, focusing on any way to brutally attacking your enemy with the intention of either maiming or killing them.


I'm no expert but hapkido seems to have a little of both...
annski729 On July 24, 2016




, United States (general)
#34New Post! Nov 26, 2009 @ 05:44:01
I took a self defense class last spring through my school. I forgot most of the techniques they taught me because I didn't practice it. It was good in that it had a simulation at the end though, where men in these padded suits would grab us and we'd have to get of it.

It also actually kinda inspired me to get back into martial arts, which was really good. The style of karate I do now involves full contact sparring, and I've found it to be *extremely* helpful because it's more realistic. Punching and blocking in the air, or even against practicing on mats, is much different than punching a moving person who is really trying to hurt you. It also involves body conditioning and has a certain mental preparedness aspect to it.

That's kinda why the simulation part of the self-defense class I took was good. I think it should have been longer though. It was free, but only like six classes spread out over 3 weekends, one class being a "safety" lecture and one class being the simulation.

So I guess my point is 1) if you don't practice what you learn, it's not going to help at all 2) if you aren't actually being attacked, just defending an imaginary enemy is not going to be helpful and 3)I agree with the false sense of security part...although I don't think *most* people who take those classes are that stupid to think they are suddenly invincible.
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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, Rhode Island
#35New Post! Nov 27, 2009 @ 05:18:55
@annski729 Said

I took a self defense class last spring through my school. I forgot most of the techniques they taught me because I didn't practice it. It was good in that it had a simulation at the end though, where men in these padded suits would grab us and we'd have to get of it.

It also actually kinda inspired me to get back into martial arts, which was really good. The style of karate I do now involves full contact sparring, and I've found it to be *extremely* helpful because it's more realistic. Punching and blocking in the air, or even against practicing on mats, is much different than punching a moving person who is really trying to hurt you. It also involves body conditioning and has a certain mental preparedness aspect to it.

That's kinda why the simulation part of the self-defense class I took was good. I think it should have been longer though. It was free, but only like six classes spread out over 3 weekends, one class being a "safety" lecture and one class being the simulation.

So I guess my point is 1) if you don't practice what you learn, it's not going to help at all 2) if you aren't actually being attacked, just defending an imaginary enemy is not going to be helpful and 3)I agree with the false sense of security part...although I don't think *most* people who take those classes are that stupid to think they are suddenly invincible.


Agreed
Good for you that those self defense classes inspired you to get back to karate. But alone, standing for themselves, those self defense classes would have been pretty worthless... So as I said: for most, they do nothing, for a few, they may cause a false sense of security...
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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#36New Post! Nov 27, 2009 @ 18:02:54
@Marcussextus Said

I taught my daughter to fight, hard and dirty, from the time she was 5, until she could drop me whenever she wanted. Her two older, and much larger, brothers were and are terrified of her. While at Uni she was working as a barmaid, and got leapt upon and groped by a drunk. He didn't get any further, she broke his jaw and knocked him unconscious, before security could respond to the alarm!
Considering what I'd taught her, he got off lightly!
One proud Dad that day, I tell ya fa true!


Not defending drunken gropers - they deserve punishment - but wasn't breaking the guy's jaw and knocking him unconscious a bit harsh, considering the crime?
annski729 On July 24, 2016




, United States (general)
#39New Post! Nov 27, 2009 @ 19:32:29
@ImBlue Said

Agreed
Good for you that those self defense classes inspired you to get back to karate. But alone, standing for themselves, those self defense classes would have been pretty worthless... So as I said: for most, they do nothing, for a few, they may cause a false sense of security...



Yea, just taking a couple classes won't teach you anything. But if you keep up with them they might be useful. The problem is not many people do keep up with the practicing.

And honestly I may have said this before, but I forget. I don't really think it creates a false sense of security in most people. Most people are smart enough to realize that they only know a very little bit. Perhaps I put too much faith in people though

We did some weapons disarming during one of my classes last summer. It was a good introduction. But am I going to try to grab a gun out of someone's hands if I get carjacked tomorrow? Absolutely not. I practiced the techniques one day and haven't done anything with it since. I feel no more secure about that then I did before I learned those techniques.
bloody__bug On October 28, 2011




nowwere, Canada
#40New Post! Nov 27, 2009 @ 20:06:18
@annski729 Said

Yea, just taking a couple classes won't teach you anything. But if you keep up with them they might be useful. The problem is not many people do keep up with the practicing.

And honestly I may have said this before, but I forget. I don't really think it creates a false sense of security in most people. Most people are smart enough to realize that they only know a very little bit. Perhaps I put too much faith in people though

We did some weapons disarming during one of my classes last summer. It was a good introduction. But am I going to try to grab a gun out of someone's hands if I get carjacked tomorrow? Absolutely not. I practiced the techniques one day and haven't done anything with it since. I feel no more secure about that then I did before I learned those techniques.


ywah, stuff like that would only serve to make people feel better about themselves.
I learned things that would actualy be effective.
Like what to do if someone grabs you from behind and is choaking you, or if someone if DEFINITLY going to stab you.

If someone has a gun, just do whatever the hell they say.(unless you are 100% sure that they ARE going to shoot you)
annski729 On July 24, 2016




, United States (general)
#41New Post! Nov 27, 2009 @ 20:08:50
@bloody__bug Said

ywah, stuff like that would only serve to make people feel better about themselves.
I learned things that would actualy be effective.
Like what to do if someone grabs you from behind and is choaking you, or if someone if DEFINITLY going to stab you.

If someone has a gun, just do whatever the hell they say.(unless you are 100% sure that they ARE going to shoot you)



I mean, I wasn't trying to say that disarming techniques don't have a purpose or that they serve to just make people feel better than themselves. If you practice them I think they could potentially save your life.

But I didn't, so I wouldn't try it
Marcussextus On November 25, 2014




Adelaide, Australia
#42New Post! Nov 27, 2009 @ 21:47:07
@ImBlue Said

Not defending drunken gropers - they deserve punishment - but wasn't breaking the guy's jaw and knocking him unconscious a bit harsh, considering the crime?



No offense intended, but NO it bloody wasn't!
You assumed from the simplicity of my description that it was a simple grope, it was hardly that!
You missed the "leapt upon", and that didn't happen in the bar. The bastard was waiting for her outside, and grabbed her and tried to god only knows what, she has never been specific, which is why I called it a grope. Small young woman, dark yard, big man grabs from behind, sexual assault started immediately, No, I still say he got what he deserved, and he was lucky it wasn't far worse, I've taught her some viscous and permanent ways of wounding!
I had actually taught her to go for the eyes first, and don't hold back, a man with an eye TORN OUT tends to lose interest in sex! I hear it can be quite distracting!
My daughter pressed charges, saw them through, and he was only given a one year suspended! Because he never managed to actually achieve a "serious assault" upon her, and had had to have his face wired back together, the judge went easy on him!
She shoulda kicked him in the head TWICE! You ladies are just naturally sensitive and caring I suppose, I would have fed him his testicles if I'd been there!
ImBlue On August 14, 2010

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, Rhode Island
#43New Post! Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:19:01
@annski729 Said

Yea, just taking a couple classes won't teach you anything. But if you keep up with them they might be useful. The problem is not many people do keep up with the practicing.

And honestly I may have said this before, but I forget. I don't really think it creates a false sense of security in most people. Most people are smart enough to realize that they only know a very little bit. Perhaps I put too much faith in people though

We did some weapons disarming during one of my classes last summer. It was a good introduction. But am I going to try to grab a gun out of someone's hands if I get carjacked tomorrow? Absolutely not. I practiced the techniques one day and haven't done anything with it since. I feel no more secure about that then I did before I learned those techniques.


Yes that's exactly what I mean - you really have to keep practicing very hard for it to be effective... And I'm sure you're right most people understand that, but those posters I talked about suggest otherwise: it's like promising that a class will teach you how to swim, while in fact it only teaches you how to wet your feet in a swimming pool...
arcades On August 08, 2013




Northbay, Canada
#44New Post! Nov 28, 2009 @ 01:49:12
Jeet kune do is the best.

And is made for practical real life self defence.

One of the things they teach in jeet kune do is wing chun which was a self defence style created by a woman.
kaydoh On December 19, 2011




nottingham, United Kingdom
#45New Post! Nov 28, 2009 @ 02:00:19
I think they are beneficial. Firstly usually attackers stalk their prey for at least a few minutes, hours, days etc. A woman who has taken the time to learn some techniques may well exude more confidence when out walking alone, generally attackers will go for meeker looking victims, those they think will not fight back.

Secondly most attackers want their attack to be quick and as quiet as possible. Even if the woman does still get hurt she is more likely to get away if she puts up a fight and makes noise.

A lot of self defense classes are not about being able to put a guy down, it's about giving vital time to make a run for it or to hail help from somewhere else and giving a woman the confidence to do that.

I was a publican for a long time and I was taught some basics from someone who frankly you really wouldn't want to meet down a dark alley if he had a grudge against you. He taught me ways to just simply get away from an attacker and more importantly how to avoid finding myself in that situation in the first place.
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