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afroanglopeace On July 26, 2009




Dallas, Texas
#1New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 15:17:42
...but White only groups are frowned upon.
African Americans have suffered egregiously at the hands of White Americans. For this reason they formed groups to address these challenges. White Americans aren't apart of these groups because they are not the one's who need to address such challenges. There are groups who face oppression and discrimination that consist of a number of different ethnic groups. When these groups meet all of those who are the subject of such injustice can participate, regardless of their ethnicity. As far as "white only" groups meeting to address percieved injustices suffered at the hands of African Americans, it comes acrossed as "racist" because instead of acknowledging the hardships and other wrongs that have been perpertrated by White Americans againts African Americans(in a societal way, not necessarily from all White Americans individually, in an overt way) we become defensive and resentful and are percieved by African Americans and other like minded citizens as not only "not aware" but "in denial" about what is so conspicuously obvious in their minds.
It all comes back to the failure of most White Americans to put ourselves in the shoes of African Americans. If what happened to them and their people, happened to us and our people, how would we feel? What would we think, if the situation were reversed? We can't understand how they feel and what they think, because it didn't happen to us. To futher complicate matters, not only were we not the ones who suffered such injustices but we were the perppertraters of it. Prehaps not by direct action, but most certainly by inaction and by not breaking thru our defensiveness to the point where we could see it from their prespective.
So much time has passsed from when the wrongs were intitally committed, to when they even began to be addressed. We are so far removed from slavery that we can't see how we should accept the responsibility for it. A good question to ask is " who is responsible?" Not just for slavery but all the continued oppression even after it ended. The failure of the majority to address the matter in a timely fashion, THEN, leaves it to us NOW, to address it. How should we do so? That's a subject for debate.
Allowing great lenghts of time to pass from when a wrong is committed to when it is righted has created our current racial quagmire. This is where we failed. In large part due to the emmense challenges this nation faced at the end of ther civil war. The south seething with resentment over it's loss and in no manner willing to concede any wrong with regard to slavery. The north or the Union failed to take more direct action to right the wrongs that had been committed against African Americans. A public acknowledgement or confession of those wrongs and direct and "speedy" amends made. Had these matters been addressed then our current state of affairs with regard to race would be several fold advanced. Our resolve to right the wrongs was not strong enough. We failed as a nation to have a "speedy and public trial"(Bill of rights) so to speak. Now we're paying the price. But there is still an answer, we need to do what we failed to do then. Before we can, someone will have to take responsibility, and just to many of us aren't willing to. That will have to wait for future post, until then I would love to here back from any and all regardless of your position
Michael718 On March 16, 2010
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Caprica City, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 15:19:03
Dude, just apologise for slavery. Its like litter on the floor - you might not have dropped it but pick it up anyway, it just makes s*** easier.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
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Wichita, Kansas
#3New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 16:13:07
Damn! Gave both of you kudos. This keeps up- I'm going to run out of 'em soon. 8)
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#4New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 16:14:42
And love that name Afroanglopeace!
afroanglopeace On July 26, 2009




Dallas, Texas
#5New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 18:33:34
I'm prepared to apologize and I have, personally, to a degree. But I believe a "tangible amends" needs to be made. For us to just say were sorry for such inhumane and brutal treatment of other human beings isn't sufficent. If you and your family were kidnaped,(I'm assumeing your a White American) taken to a foreign land, sold on an auction block, your wife to one slave holder, your children to another, forced to work without pay from sun up to sun down 6 and even 7 days a week. Subjected to cruel, blood drawing punishment for behavior deemed unpleaseing to your master (even dismemberment for repeated attempted escapes). You were not allowed to learn how to read or write. Your daughters, sisters, and wife could legally be taken and used by their master as he desired. This wasn't practiced by all slave holders but it was not uncommon. This treatment went on generation after generation(hundreds of yrs) and then your finally freed into a cruel and hostile land where your held in contempt and despised (prehaps occasionally pitied) by your former captors. An attitude of superiority lives in the heart all of your fellow countrymen. (to a greater or lesser degree) Your are patronized by them, and expected to be grateful that they set you free. Instead of them being sorrowful for ever having enslaved you in the first place. No real apology of any import has been made even 140 yrs after your peoples release from wrongful enslavement. Instead you had to fight tooth and nail to even begin to attain the equality of the other citzens of the country, your ancestors and thus you were brought to. Yet still 140 yrs later a festering tension and hard heart still lingers within those whose forbares brought you and your families to "Their Land" so they could have "unpaid laborers" All of those yrs of slavery and oppression took it's toll on you and your people. No reimbursiment has been made for all your yrs of unpaid labour. In fact no tangible amends of any kind has been made. The majority of your people still struggle to rise from amoung the poorest in the nation. How would you feel? I, as a white a American, would feel passionately outraged if such a senario played it self out in the life of me and my people. What magnifies this, is, that the largest precentage of slave holders were professing Christians, regular church goers. It stretches the bounds of credulity to suggest that any of these things could be affirmed in any way within the the text New Testiment.
A defense of malice is never justifiable. But when people are treated in the way described above, history teaches us, that human beings become "malicious". Some measure of ill will or hard feelings will inevitablly manifest itself amoung people who have suffered such oppression and injustice. It is the exception not the rule, when people who suffer so much injustice and oppression that they can avoid harboring animosity towards those who perpetrated it against them. The answer to clearing away that animosity is for the perpetraters to make a genuine apology and to make restitution for the wrongs that they have committed. I've expressed that the passage of long periods of time, since the original offense, have seriously impacted the ease with which such a resolution could be reached. Nonetheless it remains the only solution. Though now we have a more difficult task then we would have had, had we dealt with it in a more timely fashion. After all, over 140 yrs have passed, during which time the offense was very inadequately addressed and thus, instead of bringing the healing and reconciliation that could have begun those long yrs ago, the bitterness and hurt has been allowed to grow and multiply, taking us down a winding road that forks off in many directions, one that will require great diligence to navigate our way back through. This will require effort and sacrifice from both parties envolved. One party will have to ask genuine forgiveness the other will have to give it. One party will have to make restitution that will come from a true heart and not just a token offering so we can say "ok we did our part" the other will have to recieve it acknowledging that the wrong is finally being righted and now they too must release their offenders from the wrongs that were done to them and their people and seek true and harmonious fellowship with them. This will be a prossess that works it's self out over time and not an instaneous occurance - for both parties. All we can do is begin this journey.
I for one am willing to begin , to be part of making restitution and to give a real and meaningful apology. Not just an intellectual accent to the wrongs that have been done(ones that may not have originated with me but, been passed to me unwittingly, down thru the generations), but to see birthed in my heart a genuine contrition. Then take the steps to see restitution made. It's a lot easier to "think about" then it is to "carry out". In expressing what I have here I am beginning. I pray I'll I have the courage to continue, and that many others will as well.
SKUBER On July 20, 2009

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#6New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 18:55:27
The current trend in this country is for the oppressor race to accuse the oppressed of racism,and to negate their own racism. This has infiltrated into all media and into the minds of a majority of the oppressor races psyches,to the extant that caucasians believe they are being put upon by the oppressed. This is totally a false concept,African Americans expressing justifible anger at their treatment,is a righteous indignation. For caucasians to now say they are discriminated against by African Americans is ludicrous. As long as these false ideas have currency,there will be no change!
doubtingthomas On April 26, 2010
Jesus is my homie





Monterey, California
#7New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 19:21:24
Lets just get some stuff straight.

No one alive today has ever owned or will own african slaves in America, atleast not supported by the law.

That being said.

Do not hold the sins of the father as sins to the son.

Let go and move on, dwelling on it only makes it last longer.

You don't see American Indians writing rap music about how the man took away thier entire country and destroyed thier entire existance and way of life. We white men didn't even get to make them slaves, we just flat out killed them and made lamp shades out of thier lady parts(true story).
doubtingthomas On April 26, 2010
Jesus is my homie





Monterey, California
#8New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 19:29:56
@SKUBER Said

The current trend in this country is for the oppressor race to accuse the oppressed of racism,and to negate their own racism. This has infiltrated into all media and into the minds of a majority of the oppressor races psyches,to the extant that caucasians believe they are being put upon by the oppressed. This is totally a false concept,African Americans expressing justifible anger at their treatment,is a righteous indignation. For caucasians to now say they are discriminated against by African Americans is ludicrous. As long as these false ideas have currency,there will be no change!



Racism and discrimination are not white only attatudes. Because the shoe is on the other foot, doesn't make it any less ugly or wrong.
SKUBER On July 20, 2009

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#9New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 19:34:58
You are exactly who I am talking about!
Stigma On February 13, 2010
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, New Hampshire
#10New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 19:37:37
Ok, what I don't get is this.


History isn't a part of your DNA, by your great great great grandfather owning a slave, does not mean you have any reason to say sorry to the slave's 5th generation.

Sure, feel sorry, but you are not obligated to say sorry, it isn't your fault.

That being said, do you really feel that oppressed?
If you do, fight for your rights, start a pro-white group, I'm not quite sure exactly what this would accomplish.

I'm not saying history isn't important, but some stuff, a hell of a lot stuff happened. If cultures and religions acted like everything just happened yesterday there would be no way to move on, which is what we've got to do. I know this is more of a reply to your second post, sorry.
DuLu On January 11, 2017
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Waverly, Washington
#11New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 19:38:47
arrggghhhhh, I think this is a good day for me to be
offline.
Stigma On February 13, 2010
zombie vomit


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, New Hampshire
#12New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 19:41:11
@DuLu Said

arrggghhhhh, I think this is a good day for me to be
offline.



Or you could just avoid this thread.
Kristy69 On September 14, 2014
Carly's Mommy





Underneath the Cyanide Sun....
#13New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 20:07:20
@Michael718 Said

Dude, just apologise for slavery. Its like litter on the floor - you might not have dropped it but pick it up anyway, it just makes s*** easier.


Call me racist or cold, I don't care, I'm not apologizing.
I'm not apologizing for something I had no part of.

My ancestors wern't even on the contenent when slavery was going on. They didn't come to America until the early 1900s. Slavery was already abolished then.
Some came from Ireland, others from Canada.
doubtingthomas On April 26, 2010
Jesus is my homie





Monterey, California
#14New Post! Jul 19, 2009 @ 20:28:15
As long as there are 2 people in this world with working fingers and toes. There will always be someone who will point to the other person as being the cause of all thier own problems.

Take responsiblty for your own actions for you are the only person that needs to be held accountable for them.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
Stnd w Standing Rock





Wichita, Kansas
#15New Post! Jul 20, 2009 @ 01:11:16
@doubtingthomas Said

Lets just get some stuff straight.

No one alive today has ever owned or will own african slaves in America, atleast not supported by the law.

That being said.

Do not hold the sins of the father as sins to the son.

Let go and move on, dwelling on it only makes it last longer.

You don't see American Indians writing rap music about how the man took away thier entire country and destroyed thier entire existance and way of life. We white men didn't even get to make them slaves, we just flat out killed them and made lamp shades out of thier lady parts(true story).


They did slave a few. Spaniards were shipping them to south Mexico to get them thousands of miles so the kids could not get home.

Oh by and by:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ96yeb897k&feature=related
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