What the f***?

Then we need to do this on our own. Waiting for him, or any other politician to do it for us will make it worse. To fix everything with our allies, we may need a competent politician, no matter the party they are under.

We cannot do it on our own. We need leadership to guide us.

We are also erroneously narrowing this debate on whether or not we are worse with Trump in charge to trust in law enforcement. What about all the other areas I touched upon?

Bottom line, we ARE better without him in charge.

There is a difference between

1. "supporting" the office of the president in terms of doing ones duty as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces or the Federal Government

and

2. "supporting" any given president in terms of defending or even making excuses for his actions, words, or political philosophy.

That’s what the first amendment is all about.

And the constitution from which it comes from is supreme even over our commander in chief.

The argument to go live in a cabin in the woods is a strong one. No net, no tv, just a sweet innocent life butchering animals for dinner at a warm log fire

Well, if we do it over here, we may get interrupted by Trump's Leaf Raking Force.

Have you lived "off grid" for any period of time?

Not a "trick question" and not "baiting you"... just wondering.

It's (less than) half of We The People that put this bastard in office.

Know the joke: "How to tell when a politician is lying - his lips are moving"

It used to be a joke because it was the exception not the rule.

Now, when considering your commander in chief (and his circle of friends), you now have to assume whatever is said is not true.

No but i remember a time (i'm 43) when we didn't really have this. No mobile phones, no internet. Yah sure we still had news on the tv but it was real news, not fake or trivial s***. News at 10 had a little segment at the end for the trivial/lighthearted stuff.

Because I stand with the fact that as of right now, we are f***ed either way. Trump or no Trump.


We CAN do it on our own. If you want leadership to guide to rebuild trust between you (civilians) and law enforcement, then be that leader.

I know the difference.

Not wishing to butt in out of turn in what is, essentially, a matter for the American people, but I think of all this in terms of democracy.

There is only one way a monster like Trump can be prevented from abusing the office of President: Kick him out of the White House.

Now.... It seems to me on this side of the pond that the courts are unlikely to be able to prosecute him. He's been a businessman long enough to have learned how to manipulate the system, cover his arse, create plausible deniablility or just downright lie knowing that he can either bribe or destroy the plausibility of anybody who would testify against him, or if he thought he could get away with it, have them killed.

So, if you can't throw him into chokey, where he probably deserves to be, the only option is through the electoral process.

You have a vote. Use it. Now, I understand that it will require a number of people to change their vote to oust him. Fair enough. That's how democracy works.

And so Pat's point, that an opponent to Trump will be needed, who can show the sort of leadership that will inspire enough people to change their vote at the next General Election. At the moment, the Democrats don't seem to have such a candidate.

Perhaps Trumps chances of re-election will be decided, not by his "merits" as a President (I really don't like using the word "merit" in conjunction with Trump, but you know what I'm saying), but by the paucity of an alternative that the American people will feel they can follow.

The Democratic Party really needs to get its act together, if only to save the White House from many more Christmases of his baleful wife's appalling taste in festive decoration. When the pictures were shown on the news here, I half expected to see a small boy on a tricycle come around the corner.

But seriously. It's not just America that needs to be saved from Trump. Britain is already blowing its own foot off with an elephant gun with Brexit, and the only plan our own utterly incompetent government seems to have is to go to a monster that will devour us.

Don't just save America, save those of us who had no say in his election, but will be affected by his imperialist ambitions.

The world needs a Democrat with the political skills and leadership to save us all. Not just America.

I’m not denying that we need to vote him out and that it isn’t the best way to get him out.

Nor am I even denying that we will get him out in this manner, unlike others in TFS seem to believe. The popular vote in favor of Democrats over Republicans jumped to 7% in the 2018 election from 2% in 2016.

This thread is simply about about why we need to.

"A retired Army general warned that Trump's 'disturbing' rhetoric is eroding the military's trust in its commander in chief"

Not surprising

I have , for almost 4 years. myself and three kids ages 7 , 9 ad 10.
It's not quiet the "sweet innocent life " portrayed by the movies and in novels .
We were able to get electricity after 4 years .
The kids are grown with families of their own and as of 2017 I have lived here in my house for 30 years.