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dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 09:54:03
Ok, as inspired by the question that literally drove Phaedrus insane in the book "Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance", what is "Quality".

As Phaedrus thought prior to his breakdown......some things ARE better than others, but when you try to say what it is (apart from pointing at something that has it) it all goes Poof!

Yes, we all know about what is quality for one person is s*** for another, but poor old Phaedrus was into rationality and believed in rationality, so as he saw it, such was no answer. Rationally, you just HAD to be able to say what Quality is, otherwise it could not exist. Yet it DID exist.......but he could not express it rationally.

Can't quite get my head round why he went bonkers....
Electric_Banana On September 15, 2021




, New Zealand
#2New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 10:02:53
Quality = Someone who has been around the dial so many times they're thinking of retiring. ( "She's waaay out of your league." )
dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 10:16:29
@Electric_Banana Said

Quality = Someone who has been around the dial so many times they're thinking of retiring. ( "She's waaay out of your league." )



You could be on to someting here.........quality as linked to the grass always being greener elsewhere.........what we can't have....

Not sure whether that calls for a or a
dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 10:21:24
Anyways........hoping GAK might have a stab at this one, if only in the hope that it sends HIM nuts....
Electric_Banana On September 15, 2021




, New Zealand
#5New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 11:26:51
@dookie Said

Anyways........hoping GAK might have a stab at this one, if only in the hope that it sends HIM nuts....



Meh...me little neighbor friend we watch; she's got a real bold and outgoing personality on her. Knows how to stick up for herself real good and how to energetically make friends.

She was telling her grandmother the other day: "God gives us two chances." And I thought "Two chances before what?"

I told her: "By how mastered you are at your better qualities, at such a young age, it looks like you've had plenty more than just two chances."

So some folks out there - If of good healthy physique PLUS beautiful personality...like I said - to have gotten that good they're probably ready to cash in soon. That is considering we continue to resurrect so as to get better at handling ourselves.
Hypnotica On June 11, 2020

Banned



Steel City (Sheffield), United
#6New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 12:30:23
Quality in what though?
What are you looking for?

As for Value, its something you give yourself and something you apply to other people.

But likewise its a two way thing, they give you value or they dont. And it will be different to the value you give yourself.
dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 12:44:06
@Hypnotica Said

Quality in what though?
What are you looking for?

As for Value, its something you give yourself and something you apply to other people.

But likewise its a two way thing, they give you value or they dont. And it will be different to the value you give yourself.


Just quality in and of itself. How to define it. Wherever it is found.

Maybe it has to do not with "the thing in itself" but that there is some sort of "inter-being" between the person and that which is deemed to have "quality"?


Fit for purpose?
Hypnotica On June 11, 2020

Banned



Steel City (Sheffield), United
#8New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 12:47:03
@dookie Said

Just quality in and of itself. How to define it. Wherever it is found.

Maybe it has to do not with "the thing in itself" but that there is some sort of "inter-being" between the person and that which is deemed to have "quality"?


Fit for purpose?


It subjective. Its how good something is in comparison to how good you expect it to be.
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#9New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 16:54:18
is the quality in the name of a product, or its ability to function as needed?

is the pop can shim a shim?
Willi On August 21, 2018




northinmind,
#10New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 16:56:38
riding in fog can suck
dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 18:28:26
@Willi Said

is the quality in the name of a product, or its ability to function as needed?

is the pop can shim a shim?



Phaedrus, in the novel, contrasts those at University who are there to learn to think, and those who are there to earn a grade.
Erimitus On July 01, 2021




The mind of God, Antarctica
#12New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 18:46:22
The narrator, a schizophrenic, whose name we never learn, asks but does not answer the question; What is good and what is not.
dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#13New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 20:45:54
@Erimitus Said

The narrator, a schizophrenic, whose name we never learn, asks but does not answer the question; What is good and what is not.



Got to the bit where Phaedrus claims that quality is undefineable, yet exists. He speaks of a world in which quality has been removed. He speaks of those who are spoken of as "square", who do not "dig" quality.

(Here I was reminded of Thomas Merton speaking of his meeting with D T Suxuki, of Merton saying that in Suzuki Buddhism became clear......clear, not as doctrine, but that Suzuki in his humanity breathes a value that is self-evident.)

Phaedrus sees that the problem lies within rationality itself, and further, the problem coukd rest in those who are unable to witness that which is self-evident.

Well, it seems a different approach to the "oh, we all have different subjective ideas of what has quality......)

But I will read on, and muse further.
dookie On September 15, 2021
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 20:53:42
Quote from "Z and TAOMM".......what remains to be seen, the thing to be analysed, is not quality, but those perculiar habits of thought called "squareness" that sometimes prevent us from seeing it.

MORE......the subject for analysis, the patient on the table, was no longer quality, but analysis itself.

(Reminded of Blakes....."we murder to dissect" )
chaski On about 9 hours ago
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#15New Post! Sep 17, 2014 @ 21:08:25
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