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GreatestIam2 On January 09, 2021




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! Mar 31, 2012 @ 20:16:37
What does in Godís image mean? He created Adam & Eve without a moral sense.

I take, in Godís image, to refer to Godís and our mental image and not the physical. God does not look like us in any way. He and his form is quite alien to us.

Genesis shows that Adam & Eve were created without the moral sense that would make them like Gods. That being the case, they had to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to be in Godís mental image. That is without a doubt a requirement to the development of a moral sense and is confirmed by God after Adam and Eve disobeyed his command to stay dumb and without a moral sense.

If they were created in Godís image then they would have already had the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil and would therefore not have been tempted by Satan to eat of the tree of knowledge because they would have had that knowledge already. This would also mean that God was punishing them unjustly.

One must conclude from these biblical facts, that God did not make mankind in his image.

The only other logical alternative is that God does not have a moral sense and that he too, like Adam and Eve, was basically as dumb as a cow.

Could that be why God is shown as doing other immoral things in scriptures?

The two main ones that come to mind is God having his own son murdered for the forgiveness of sin when there was no real need to and the genocide of Noahís day.

Does being in God's image mean not having a moral sense?

Regards
DL
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Mar 31, 2012 @ 20:29:14
@GreatestIam2 Said

What does in Godís image mean? He created Adam & Eve without a moral sense.

I take, in Godís image, to refer to Godís and our mental image and not the physical. God does not look like us in any way. He and his form is quite alien to us.

Genesis shows that Adam & Eve were created without the moral sense that would make them like Gods. That being the case, they had to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to be in Godís mental image. That is without a doubt a requirement to the development of a moral sense and is confirmed by God after Adam and Eve disobeyed his command to stay dumb and without a moral sense.

If they were created in Godís image then they would have already had the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil and would therefore not have been tempted by Satan to eat of the tree of knowledge because they would have had that knowledge already. This would also mean that God was punishing them unjustly.

One must conclude from these biblical facts, that God did not make mankind in his image.

The only other logical alternative is that God does not have a moral sense and that he too, like Adam and Eve, was basically as dumb as a cow.

Could that be why God is shown as doing other immoral things in scriptures?

The two main ones that come to mind is God having his own son murdered for the forgiveness of sin when there was no real need to and the genocide of Noahís day.

Does being in God's image mean not having a moral sense?

Regards
DL


God did not create Adam and Eve without a moral sense, nor has He ever done anything immoral, only someone whose thinking is as warped as yours appears to be could even imagine that to be true. I'm not even sure that you believe it.

God has never done anything without need nor has He allowed any to suffer without cause. You simply want to twist everything.

It is all very well knowing what happened, it would help you to learn why things happened.

No, being made in God's image means being created with the highest possible moral sense, something you could do with learning.
alex_simms On April 30, 2020




Glastonbury, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Apr 01, 2012 @ 06:16:39
Good post DL.
If 'God' existed and was a decent chap, 'He' would not allow so many versions of 'Himself' exist in the minds of people.
In Christianity alone there are over 30000 different churches.
If 'God' exists then he is clearly divisive and enjoys seeing people pitted against one another.
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
Verum est Deus


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Peoria, Arizona
#4New Post! Apr 01, 2012 @ 07:08:43
@GreatestIam2 Said

What does in Godís image mean? He created Adam & Eve without a moral sense.

One must conclude from these biblical facts, that God did not make mankind in his image.

Does being in God's image mean not having a moral sense?


I think this is an instance of where the author of Genesis got the wisdom down, but didn't know why.

The image referred to is our possession of self-awareness which, only we appear to have in full here on Earth. Self-awareness enables (forces) us to put ourselves in other's shoes, which makes us understand what we're doing to them when we violate them by remembering what it would be like if they did it to us. I could be wrong about a couple of species of animals, but I think only a few have anything but primitive self-awareness.

IOW, it is the ONLY way TO have a moral sense.
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Apr 01, 2012 @ 13:18:10
@ThePainefulTruth Said

I think this is an instance of where the author of Genesis got the wisdom down, but didn't know why.

The image referred to is our possession of self-awareness which, only we appear to have in full here on Earth. Self-awareness enables (forces) us to put ourselves in other's shoes, which makes us understand what we're doing to them when we violate them by remembering what it would be like if they did it to us. I could be wrong about a couple of species of animals, but I think only a few have anything but primitive self-awareness.

IOW, it is the ONLY way TO have a moral sense.


Yes, that is very much to the point. Self awareness is there in all animals but to varying degrees, we are the only species to have it to the extent we do, which includes an all too limited ability to think of the effect of what we do on others.

The best way however to have a moral sense is to listen to the only one who can truly tells us of the harmful effects of what we may want to do on others, both short term and especially long term. Man was not designed to be autonomous in that regard we were not designed with sufficient wisdom.

That's what the bible tells us anyway, and history definitely backs that thought up.
GreatestIam2 On January 09, 2021




Ottawa, Canada
#6New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:20:14
@MadCornishBiker Said

God did not create Adam and Eve without a moral sense, nor has He ever done anything immoral, only someone whose thinking is as warped as yours appears to be could even imagine that to be true. I'm not even sure that you believe it.
.


One thing I believe is that using genocide against mankind is immoral as hell.

It is you who are warped and believe that murder by genocide is somehow a good and moral thing.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On January 09, 2021




Ottawa, Canada
#7New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:21:18
@alex_simms Said

Good post DL.
If 'God' existed and was a decent chap, 'He' would not allow so many versions of 'Himself' exist in the minds of people.
In Christianity alone there are over 30000 different churches.
If 'God' exists then he is clearly divisive and enjoys seeing people pitted against one another.


I agree.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On January 09, 2021




Ottawa, Canada
#8New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:25:39
@ThePainefulTruth Said

I think this is an instance of where the author of Genesis got the wisdom down, but didn't know why.

The image referred to is our possession of self-awareness which, only we appear to have in full here on Earth. Self-awareness enables (forces) us to put ourselves in other's shoes, which makes us understand what we're doing to them when we violate them by remembering what it would be like if they did it to us. I could be wrong about a couple of species of animals, but I think only a few have anything but primitive self-awareness.

IOW, it is the ONLY way TO have a moral sense.


Self-aware, perhaps.

Not autonomous or free though if what happened to A & E is as depicted in the myth.

The first time they acted autonomously and did their will and not God's, he threw his hissy fit all over them.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On January 09, 2021




Ottawa, Canada
#9New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:30:09
@MadCornishBiker Said

Yes, that is very much to the point. Self awareness is there in all animals but to varying degrees, we are the only species to have it to the extent we do, which includes an all too limited ability to think of the effect of what we do on others.

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I do not agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mv8rfJmCPk

Regards
DL
Reviso On November 23, 2014

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Trenton, Canada
#10New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:30:59
@GreatestIam2 Said

Self-aware, perhaps.

Not autonomous or free though if what happened to A & E is as depicted in the myth.

The first time they acted autonomously and did their will and not God's, he threw his hissy fit all over them.

Regards
DL


But God could mean reference to some One couple of heart and deceit. he God of perfect example had a complex to make everyone follow Him, in spite of everyone following Them already. Is this Deutoronomy by any chance?
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:40:02
@GreatestIam2 Said

One thing I believe is that using genocide against mankind is immoral as hell.

It is you who are warped and believe that murder by genocide is somehow a good and moral thing.

Regards
DL


It would be if Genocide had been used, but it is only your warped perception of what happened that makes you believe that it was Genocide. But then since you understand so little about what happened and why. I guess you will always look at it in such a lop-sided way.

Definition courtesy of Dictionary.com (as usual, lol.

gen∑o∑cide? ?[jen-uh-sahyd] noun

the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

There is no way that description applies to anything is scripture, which you would know if you had any interest in finding out.

Any who wished to be absorbed not Israel were absorbed into Israel and in fact some members of the Races Jehovah felt the need to punish were even included in Jesus genealogy.

That is not Genocide by any standards.

As I have said before, if you looked into the history of these nations you would know why many of the were slated of either destruction or absorption, and all these events were forerunners of what will happen in this time. Any who wish to come out of Satan's world will be gladly accepted out, those who choose to stay in and fight against Jehovah will perish.

Somehow I can't help but wonder if, when you eventually find out what the truth is, you will be one of those who goes to his death shouting "No! you're wrong!". I know some will.
MadCornishBiker On January 14, 2014

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St Columb Road, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:40:40
@GreatestIam2 Said

I do not agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mv8rfJmCPk

Regards
DL


Well, no, you wouldn't, you argue against everything that makes any sense.
Demented On May 09, 2020




, Australia
#13New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 12:40:55
God has never done anything without need nor has He allowed any to suffer without cause. You simply want to twist everything.


Hasn't it?? what about parting the red sea and drowning all the Egyptian Soldiers when it let the sea go back????

What about the yarn about Sodom And Gomorrah?? all those people it Killed???

What about what happened in the Concentration Camps of Germany,to it's own People????

More myths???
ThePainefulTruth On May 06, 2013
Verum est Deus


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Peoria, Arizona
#14New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 13:18:36
@GreatestIam2 Said

Self-aware, perhaps.

Not autonomous or free though if what happened to A & E is as depicted in the myth.

The first time they acted autonomously and did their will and not God's, he threw his hissy fit all over them.

Regards
DL


Strip away the mythology and the anthropomorphic God, and there's pretty profound Truth there.
GreatestIam2 On January 09, 2021




Ottawa, Canada
#15New Post! Apr 02, 2012 @ 16:20:38
@Reviso Said

But God could mean reference to some One couple of heart and deceit. he God of perfect example had a complex to make everyone follow Him, in spite of everyone following Them already. Is this Deutoronomy by any chance?


I have no idea of what you are trying to say here.
It must be because I am French.

Regards
DL
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