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Was social determinism supported or opposed by the marxists?

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daskyd On June 09, 2013




, Romania
#1New Post! Jun 09, 2013 @ 09:30:07
Allan Levite argues in this article - https://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=245 - that there is no such thing as social determinism, concluding that the cultural milieu in which one lives can only be used as a partial explanation for an individual's behavior. Is this a republican biased review or should it be taken into account as a genuine academic argument?

And now, back to my question. If it was, then what was their aim?
Reviso On November 23, 2014

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Trenton, Canada
#2New Post! Jun 09, 2013 @ 12:47:12
In Marxism for the purpose of sociology or human nature in general there is only an uncommon disregard for Nature because the natural world may really not exist as per being a World. Therefore, Marxism is determinism in the more broader dialectical sense as co=operative evaluation of sciences. It is better to just dive into the science of the ideals and regard the subject of action, determinism, and free will under the probe of sociological determinism; primarily one is approaching the wisdom for man being a part of nature as a consequence of of his Historical Situation. It probes examples from the Past, the relationships of philosophical thinkers with humanity, people, and the changes inherent; and then it considers the revolutionary content of important class distinctions and how to understand the institutions and the interaction of social mores and sexuality through... bla, bla, I am not much on this, but I take courage to understand the idea of constraint, the conditioning of Consciousness by being as materialistically explained was the way I did it now; actually maybe nature ignoring the weak environment could work better.
Erimitus On July 02, 2020




The mind of God, Antarctica
#3New Post! Jun 09, 2013 @ 19:03:27
@daskyd Said

Allan Levite argues in this article - https://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=245 - that there is no such thing as social determinism, concluding that the cultural milieu in which one lives can only be used as a partial explanation for an individual's behavior. Is this a republican biased review or should it be taken into account as a genuine academic argument?

And now, back to my question. If it was, then what was their aim?




I would say accepted not supported. Their aim was justice. The needs of a society determine the societies technology which in turn influences societal determinism. Both nature and nurture influence societal norms.
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#4New Post! Jun 09, 2013 @ 22:49:59
@Erimitus Said

I would say accepted not supported. Their aim was justice. The needs of a society determine the societies technology which in turn influences societal determinism. Both nature and nurture influence societal norms.



One good advancement in brain research tech leads to another Jigsaw Man?
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#5New Post! Jun 09, 2013 @ 23:04:10
@daskyd Said

Allan Levite argues in this article - https://www.independent.org/publications/article.asp?id=245 - that there is no such thing as social determinism, concluding that the cultural milieu in which one lives can only be used as a partial explanation for an individual's behavior. Is this a republican biased review or should it be taken into account as a genuine academic argument?

And now, back to my question. If it was, then what was their aim?



I tend to believe that we are products of our environment - but not only - As pointed out by Eritmitus previously: No matter how rough or kind our environment we all have choice as to how we allow that environment to mold us.

So one person born to a gang-infested ghetto may choose to run with the gangs and learn to become a professional thief.

While another born to that same ghetto may choose to use the same gangs as means to learn how to build better security and defenses.

BUT

I also believe that if a person is shown much more of mankind's ugly than they are ever shown love or acceptance by humankind - The person can still choose to remain cordial, themselves, for the sake of their own integrity but I can gaurantee you will find that individual has less of a value for the world and everything in it.

Even though they chose not to be destructive themselves (as others witnessing the same as them did) their disassociation with the world will still reflect in how much effort they put into trying to help the world or even bothering to participate in it.

It will also reflect in their Self-Righteousness or casual, smug, ability to disregard all external criticism under conviction that no one else undertstands as much as they do and the ones who do are liars and predators.

So even though Social Determinism is not the be-all/end-all defining a person it is still a portion of what has helped developed their demeanor for better or worse.

Using myself as example: although I never took opportunity to focus all of my learning efforts on how to cheat, con and hack proficiently, you will never (in any existence or dimension) find me caring enough about the world around me to ever see me training to become a fire fighter.
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#6New Post! Jun 09, 2013 @ 23:04:56
And as for the question posted in this thread's title: I never read the Book of Marx.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#7New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 00:09:01
@Electric_Banana Said

And as for the question posted in this thread's title: I never read the Book of Marx.



It's actually just a little phrase tacked on on as an afterthought in the 22nd chapter of Revelations:

Quote:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

22 P.S. - The machine of the social structure is oiled with the blood of the proletariat.


Marx did say religion was the opium of the masses, maybe he just wanted to move into more lucrative ventures and become a smack dealer.
tavi168 On June 29, 2013




Shortlands, United Kingdom
#8New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 00:28:51
The Soviet Union has been forged in the fires of two world wars so has been shaped by a pragmatic drive to survive at both leadership and national level. Otherwise I think Soviet Communism would have been more accepting of differences of interpretation [ways and means] plus the biosphere we share.
In any drive to survive nature [flora and fauna] take 2nd place to our human species [the selfish gene].
Respect for self enables respect for others and this 3rd rock we share.
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#9New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 01:22:30
@Eaglebauer Said

It's actually just a little phrase tacked on on as an afterthought in the 22nd chapter of Revelations:



Marx did say religion was the opium of the masses, maybe he just wanted to move into more lucrative ventures and become a smack dealer.



"Oiled with the blood of the working class."

Funny how some biblical parables are actually sensible metaphor and not just estoeric word-salad. This one is also extremely sophisticated for the time in which the Bible was assumed to have been written.
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#10New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 01:24:21
@Electric_Banana Said

"Oiled with the blood of the working class."

Funny how some biblical parables are actually sensible metaphor and not just estoeric word-salad. This one is also extremely sophisticated for the time in which the Bible was assumed to have been written.



Well it was just an invention that I came up with a few hours ago
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#11New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 01:31:47
@tavi168 Said

The Soviet Union has been forged in the fires of two world wars so has been shaped by a pragmatic drive to survive at both leadership and national level. Otherwise I think Soviet Communism would have been more accepting of differences of interpretation [ways and means] plus the biosphere we share.
In any drive to survive nature [flora and fauna] take 2nd place to our human species [the selfish gene].
Respect for self enables respect for others and this 3rd rock we share.



Society is going to have to start respecting those swords they're working hard to temper because in the end - Swords are designed to murder and destroy.
Electric_Banana On July 06, 2020




, New Zealand
#12New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 01:32:44
@Eaglebauer Said

Well it was just an invention that I came up with a few hours ago



That explains it.
Reviso On November 23, 2014

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Trenton, Canada
#13New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 11:54:47
@Electric_Banana Said

That explains it.


It doesn't. and the question of even a systemic revolution is to be considered. The point about the social determinism is that in many essences to consider the Past about, indeterminism is just a response to the fatalism for an unsolved form of sociology. Is deterministic sociology instead a form of denial of a moralistic form of human nature (respecting the Catholic Church)?
Richard142 On February 15, 2015




Greater London, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 13:50:38
@Electric_Banana Said

Society is going to have to start respecting those swords they're working hard to temper because in the end - Swords are designed to murder and destroy.

Make those swords into plough shears to help feed the world and reduce air miles. Seasonal produce consumed locally.
Reviso On November 23, 2014

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Trenton, Canada
#15New Post! Jun 10, 2013 @ 14:05:44
Not Air miles for flashy coupons? but not the Aerooplan miles from Exxon.
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