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jmo On July 11, 2020
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:11:54
On Thursday our MP's will be voting on whether or not to raise tuition fees for English universities up to a potential of ?9000 per year (almost three times the current ?3000 cost).

It's a particularly devisive issue for the government and will be quite interesting with large scale protests organised by students against the tuition fees being raised and the huge cuts the government plan to make to higher education.

The National Union of Students have voted against calling for demonstrations on Thursday against the tuition fees being raised for some bizarre reason as many groups and students are calling for the NUS president Aaron Porter to resign.
SparklyKatie On March 07, 2014
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Sheffield, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:18:54
I'm quite incensed actually. If you go to an English uni you pay more, go to a Welsh uni you pay less, if you're a member of the EU you pay less. So our education budget is helping European students but not its own?

It stinks.
offbeat On 53 minutes ago




london, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:23:10
@jmo Said

On Thursday our MP's will be voting on whether or not to raise tuition fees for English universities up to a potential of ?9000 per year (almost three times the current ?3000 cost).

It's a particularly devisive issue for the government and will be quite interesting with large scale protests organised by students against the tuition fees being raised and the huge cuts the government plan to make to higher education.

The National Union of Students have voted against calling for demonstrations on Thursday against the tuition fees being raised for some bizarre reason as many groups and students are calling for the NUS president Aaron Porter to resign.


the students should have beseiged new labour headquarters when those traitors first introduced it !
jmo On July 11, 2020
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:23:29
@SparklyKatie Said

I'm quite incensed actually. If you go to an English uni you pay more, go to a Welsh uni you pay less, if you're a member of the EU you pay less. So our education budget is helping European students but not its own?

It stinks.


It is quite ridiculous. As of this point in time there are no plans to introduce tuition fees in Scotland so that means a potential student who has gone to school here could go to university for four years for free but a student who went to school just south of the border could potentially face charges of ?40,000 to go to university.

It's just not right, why should English students suffer when Welsh students and Scottish students don't have to pay?
sister_of_mercy On March 11, 2015




London, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:24:24
Apparently a couple of MPs are on the verge of resigning over this issue and many others are going to abstain or vote against the vote on Thursday.

I cannot believe Aaron Porter's silence at a time like this. There hasn't been this much support and passion from students in a long time, it's unwise for him to not gain their trust at such a crucial time.

I like how most unis are completely ignoring the calls to stop the demonstrations. Bristol uni has just gone into occupation as well which is nice to see.
offbeat On 53 minutes ago




london, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:24:41
@SparklyKatie Said

I'm quite incensed actually. If you go to an English uni you pay more, go to a Welsh uni you pay less, if you're a member of the EU you pay less. So our education budget is helping European students but not its own?

It stinks.



yes katie and we're being forced to endure cuts across the board yet our overseas aid budget is to be increased
offbeat On 53 minutes ago




london, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:26:43
@sister_of_mercy Said

Apparently a couple of MPs are on the verge of resigning over this issue and many others are going to abstain or vote against the vote on Thursday.

I cannot believe Aaron Porter's silence at a time like this. There hasn't been this much support and passion from students in a long time, it's unwise for him to not gain their trust at such a crucial time.

I like how most unis are completely ignoring the calls to stop the demonstrations. Bristol uni has just gone into occupation as well which is nice to see.


resign ? this i must see .i thought m.p's didn't resign on moral issues any more
jmo On July 11, 2020
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#8New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:26:45
@offbeat Said

the students should have beseiged new labour headquarters when those traitors first introduced it !



I think there were some protests, before my time really though. I think the real difference is at least when they did it it was to increase funding to universities whereas now it's being done so that the government can reduce funding. I think that is the essential difference between the Dearing Committee report and the Browne Report, the latter being plans to run universities as profitable businesses in an attempt to privatise education. In saying that personally I don't think Labour should have introduced them in the first place but it is difficult to be too critical of a government which invested so much into education.
sister_of_mercy On March 11, 2015




London, United Kingdom
#9New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:27:44
@offbeat Said

the students should have beseiged new labour headquarters when those traitors first introduced it !



I would have but, being 6 at the time, had bigger priorities like what to watch on Nickelodeon. Arguably social media has led to an increased interest in the politics behind education, so if platforms like Facebook and Twitter were around back then then perhaps there would have been the same level of interest.
sister_of_mercy On March 11, 2015




London, United Kingdom
#10New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:29:16
@offbeat Said

resign ? this i must see .i thought m.p's didn't resign on moral issues any more



Neither did I. It will be interesting to see whether any of them actually do though.
jmo On July 11, 2020
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#11New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:30:25
@offbeat Said

resign ? this i must see .i thought m.p's didn't resign on moral issues any more



A few did it over the Iraq War I think did they not?
offbeat On 53 minutes ago




london, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:33:06
@jmo Said

A few did it over the Iraq War I think did they not?



i think robin cook did and he didn't live long after that .mmmm
offbeat On 53 minutes ago




london, United Kingdom
#13New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 16:34:09
@sister_of_mercy Said

I would have but, being 6 at the time, had bigger priorities like what to watch on Nickelodeon. Arguably social media has led to an increased interest in the politics behind education, so if platforms like Facebook and Twitter were around back then then perhaps there would have been the same level of interest.



nickleodeon huh ...there's always an excuse for backing out of the fight
jmo On July 11, 2020
Beruset af Julebryg





Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 17:22:27
@sister_of_mercy Said

Apparently a couple of MPs are on the verge of resigning over this issue and many others are going to abstain or vote against the vote on Thursday.

I cannot believe Aaron Porter's silence at a time like this. There hasn't been this much support and passion from students in a long time, it's unwise for him to not gain their trust at such a crucial time.

I like how most unis are completely ignoring the calls to stop the demonstrations. Bristol uni has just gone into occupation as well which is nice to see.



What confused me about Aaron Porter was that he eventually spoke out in support of the peaceful occupations and offered NUS backing, then when legal aid and advice was required the Aaron Porter once again distanced himself from the occupations.

It's easy to be cynical but I do get the impression he is looking towards becoming a Labour MP and he doesn't want to burn any political bridges with the Labour Party by backing anything which could be construed as being controversial.

Same thing happened with the NUS under Jim Murphy who refused to go against the grain of what the Labour party said, weirdly enough he ended up becoming a Labour MP. It just seems like the NUS is more of a training ground for future Labour politicians rather than a body there to protect the interests of students and Aaron Porter's stance seems to represent this.

As it happens I think most people in the upper echelons of the NUS probably have the same attitude, as can be seen by their vote to not back any demonstrations on Thursday against tuition fees and to continue their silence against the 'direct action' of the occupations.

The Labour Party itself I can sort of understand as they essentially want to get elected and can't risk alienating voters but the NUS should be protecting our interests and that includes the peaceful protests which themselves are gaining a lot of popular support amongst students. I think hopefully the age of apathy in students is beginning to end, though in saying that friends of mine have very little interest in politics and it almost seems as if they don't care which is sad. A friend of mine said he wasn't going to get involved because 'It won't effect us'. Which technically is true, we are both fourth years and in Scotland so any cuts to education or raise in tuition fees won't effect us personally but I just thought it was such a sad attitude that he didn't seem to care because it didn't have a direct consequence on him as a person.
jmo On July 11, 2020
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Yorkshire, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Dec 06, 2010 @ 17:30:32
Interestingly Mike Crocket (MP for Edinburgh West) this morning apparently stated he was going to resign over tuition fees.

It turns out that it was an impostor who was interviewed by a London paper who said that and Mike Crocket has absolutely no intention of resigning

He is however voting against the raise in tuition fees but doesn't want to go public on it (look at me whistleblowing) however EUSA (Edinburgh's student union) have tweeted about it anyway
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