Trump

@restoreone Said

@chaski Said

I'm not so sure about this... and I mean I really don't know.

I've tried to do a little research with mixed results.

This weekend a NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, among other things showed a 2 way race being:

Trump 38%
Clinton 52%

And a 4 way race being:

Trump 35%
Clinton 46%
Johnson 9%
Stein 2%

If (big "if" ) that is accurate, it would appear that from a 2 way race to a 4 way race, Clinton loses 6%, while Trump loses 3%..

If that is accurate (and it might not be) a 3rd Party vote would help Trump.

Obama says backing 3rd Party candidate Is 'a Vote for Trump. But we all know that we can't trust him.

Paul Ryan is telling Republicans to vote their conscience. (I suspect that is a subtle way to tell republicans that they are not evil horrible people if they don't vote for Trump....but I could be wrong.)

And on the other hand the Guardian thinks that the "loss" would be equal: "Contrary to popular belief, third-party votes don’t just come from would-be Democratic voters – they appear to be coming equally from potential Republicans."

A writer for US News & World Report thinks that a vote for a 3rd party candidate actually ultimately helps the two major parties... in the long run. His take is, if you are a conservative and vote for a 3rd party then you help the Democrats... AND if you are a liberal and vote for a 3rd party you actually help the Republicans... Thus a 3rd party vote is ultimately a vote against yourself.... Unless of course you fully embrace that 3rd party, in which case it is just a wasted vote.

For me... I don't know who it will help, but I am convinced a "protest" 3rd party vote is a massive waste of time.

I maintain that the only way for a 3rd party to become a viable option is from the bottom up and through electing 3rd party candidates not at the presidential level, but at the legislative level state & federal.

Still, I believe that people should vote for the candidate of their choice by secret ballot.

@chaski Said

Christians backing away from Trump...

Among those reversing course was well-known theologian Wayne Grudem, whose endorsement was widely cited by other Christians backing the Republican presidential nominee.

The prominent evangelical magazine, Christianity Today, on Monday said Trump was "the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool."

James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Church in Illinois and a member of Trump's evangelical advisory board, called the candidate's remarks "misogynistic trash." The pastor told the magazine he would no longer work with the campaign unless Trump repents.


On the other hand Jerry Falwell thinks its a conspiracy...

"I think it was timed," Falwell told WABC-AM radio in New York. "I think it might have even been a conspiracy, you know, among the establishment Republicans who've known about it for weeks and who tried to time it to do the maximum damage."

No doubt super sucky and massively evil Hillary tricked Trump in to using the "locker room talk" 11 years ago, so she could use it against him.

In 1998 Hillary also tricked Trump into saying: “Paula Jones is a loser, but the fact is that she may be responsible for bringing down a president, indirectly.” and blaming Bill Clinton's situation on his attorneys and the women he had affairs with stating that he “is really a victim himself.”

But hey, it all Hillary's fault....she sucks.

@chaski Said

Christians backing away from Trump...

Among those reversing course was well-known theologian Wayne Grudem, whose endorsement was widely cited by other Christians backing the Republican presidential nominee.

The prominent evangelical magazine, Christianity Today, on Monday said Trump was "the very embodiment of what the Bible calls a fool."

James MacDonald, of Harvest Bible Church in Illinois and a member of Trump's evangelical advisory board, called the candidate's remarks "misogynistic trash." The pastor told the magazine he would no longer work with the campaign unless Trump repents.


On the other hand Jerry Falwell thinks its a conspiracy...

"I think it was timed," Falwell told WABC-AM radio in New York. "I think it might have even been a conspiracy, you know, among the establishment Republicans who've known about it for weeks and who tried to time it to do the maximum damage."

No doubt super sucky and massively evil Hillary tricked Trump in to using the "locker room talk" 11 years ago, so she could use it against him.

In 1998 Hillary also tricked Trump into saying: “Paula Jones is a loser, but the fact is that she may be responsible for bringing down a president, indirectly.” and blaming Bill Clinton's situation on his attorneys and the women he had affairs with stating that he “is really a victim himself.”

But hey, it all Hillary's fault....she sucks.

@DuLu Said

***Oh, and yes, I am j/k, of course --- in case that's not clear.***

@DuLu Said


But if you ever get moved by the Spirit and end up having some interanl conflict -- I know of many much more skilled then I who can/would joyously help you through that process.

@chaski Said

"j/k"...?



Thank you. A kind offer.

@DuLu Said

Yes, 'just kidding'!

@DuLu Said


I promised I wouldn't try to convert you, after all.

@chaski Said

Trump encourages...reminds...people to vote on November 28.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-encourages-rally-goers-to-get-out-there-and-vote-on-november-28/

@DiscordTiger Said

Well, I'm really liking Ana Navarro. I haven't payed a lot of attention to her before but she has been spot on lately.

I'm not even sure what politics thread this really belongs in.
Probably should have been an election 2016 clusterf***ery. I guess trump fits the bill the most.