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crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 11:13:47
I think this is pretty funny. Sky News

I also like some of the comments at the bottom. Personally I'd be happy to move to the True Crime section at Waterstones or beside the loo roll at the supermarket because let's be really honest here - we were lied to. All those stories of WMDs, assurances from the government that MI6 had also looked into it and yes, Saddam could really blow us all to the moon and back if he really felt like it and oh yes, he funded Al Qaeda and they used that money for 9/11 too! and at the end of it all that was really found over there were mass graves and a pathetic old man soon to be sentenced to a pretty awful death hiding in a hole in the ground thinking about how he used to be a dictator. I think I'd rather listen to a truther tell me over and over how the Iraq war couldn't have happened without 9/11 than read Blair's version of the big lie

But then again, maybe he can tell me why most of the kids I went to school with had to be scared to the point were they were predicting we'd all be dead next week.
SparklyKatie On March 07, 2014
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Sheffield, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 11:30:12
Lol I'm going to Meadowhall tomorrow, I might move a few copies too.
x_Laura_x On February 19, 2020
Majestic Unicorn





Nowhere, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 11:32:28
sister_of_mercy On March 11, 2015




London, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:11:06


I'm still going to read it though, it'll be interesting to see what his side of the story is.
crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:18:14
@sister_of_mercy Said



I'm still going to read it though, it'll be interesting to see what his side of the story is.



I suppose it would be. I don't really know. I'm kind of sick of being lied to right now.
kaydoh On December 19, 2011




nottingham, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:23:52
This argument always pisse's me off because ok maybe we were lied to, I don't doubt that was true but so many people fail to see the bigger picture. When America says jump we as a country ask "how high??" It's what we do, it's what we have been doing for a very long time. Why? Because America has it's arm around our shoulder and a vice like grip on our balls at all times.

George Bush and those before and after have always made it clear that if we want America's allegiance then we have to earn it and Blair going along with the whole Iraq thing was just that..going along with the big guns. Cowardly? yes, very but politically necessary..Yes.

We are a small blip on the map of the world, we like to make enemies but have little to back up our big mouths. We need America far more than it needs us. What little power United kingdom had over the world was based on it's financial contribution, bank rolling of other countries and projects. We no longer have the luxury of financial blackmail as we are a sinking ship and everyone knows it.
crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:27:58
@kaydoh Said

This argument always pisse's me off because ok maybe we were lied to, I don't doubt that was true but so many people fail to see the bigger picture. When America says jump we as a country ask "how high??" It's what we do, it's what we have been doing for a very long time. Why? Because America has it's arm around our shoulder and a vice like grip on our balls at all times.

George Bush and those before and after have always made it clear that if we want America's allegiance then we have to earn it and Blair going along with the whole Iraq thing was just that..going along with the big guns. Cowardly? yes, very but politically necessary..Yes.

We are a small blip on the map of the world, we like to make enemies but have little to back up our big mouths. We need America far more than it needs us. What little power United kingdom had over the world was based on it's financial contribution, bank rolling of other countries and projects. We no longer have the luxury of financial blackmail as we are a sinking ship and everyone knows it.



I think I might have rather we made a stand to be honest.
kaydoh On December 19, 2011




nottingham, United Kingdom
#8New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:29:03
@crazychica Said

I think I might have rather we made a stand to be honest.



Likewise but I don't see it happening in our lifetime
crazychica On March 13, 2011
A taste of insanity





Aberdeen, United Kingdom
#9New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:30:26
@kaydoh Said

Likewise but I don't see it happening in our lifetime



And this is why I will never go into politics. Ironically it's about the same reason my gran told her dad she wasn't going into politics about 50 years ago. Nothing ever changes, huh?
kaydoh On December 19, 2011




nottingham, United Kingdom
#10New Post! Sep 05, 2010 @ 12:31:07
@crazychica Said

And this is why I will never go into politics. Ironically it's about the same reason my gran told her dad she wasn't going into politics about 50 years ago. Nothing ever changes, huh?



For sure
fitzyp On December 23, 2014




Auckland, New Zealand
#11New Post! Sep 06, 2010 @ 02:42:04
@kaydoh Said

We are a small blip on the map of the world, we like to make enemies but have little to back up our big mouths. We need America far more than it needs us.


But it's pretty circular. The reason you make enemies in the first place is because of your allegiance with America. If you perhaps didn't fight so many wars you wouldn't make so many enemies.
kaydoh On December 19, 2011




nottingham, United Kingdom
#12New Post! Sep 06, 2010 @ 20:53:28
@fitzyp Said

But it's pretty circular. The reason you make enemies in the first place is because of your allegiance with America. If you perhaps didn't fight so many wars you wouldn't make so many enemies.



That's because our country is still stuck in the dark ages, still believing we do have the power of the old days. I think in defence of our country we don't like to see injustices in other countries and we poke our noses in to try to help, it usually backfires but we never learn.

I don't want anyone to think I defend Blair I don't, but I do see that his hands were tied.
fitzyp On December 23, 2014




Auckland, New Zealand
#13New Post! Sep 07, 2010 @ 02:54:57
@kaydoh Said

That's because our country is still stuck in the dark ages, still believing we do have the power of the old days. I think in defence of our country we don't like to see injustices in other countries and we poke our noses in to try to help, it usually backfires but we never learn.

I don't want anyone to think I defend Blair I don't, but I do see that his hands were tied.


I think you're being far too fatalistic. The war should have only been declared if it had the strong support of the British public whereas in reality only around 50% of the public thought the war was justified. The war was a great contributor to his losing of popularity in his later years as Prime Minister. How would you say his hands were tied?

I also think you're being far too self-depreciatory towards the power of the UK. You still have the 6th largest GDP in the world and have the second highest military budget of NATO countries.
Junkyard_Jim On August 30, 2011

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Norristown, Pennsylvania
#14New Post! Sep 07, 2010 @ 03:30:31
How was it the United States forced the United Kingdom into the Mid East wars?
Jennifer1984 On about 12 hours ago
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Penzance, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Sep 09, 2010 @ 12:19:30
I don't think the US forced Blair to push Britain into the war, but my guess (and my guess is as good as anybody's because the truth sure as hell aint out there) is that he (Bush) made the war sound like an attractive option, militarily, politically and financially.

Blair is shrewd enough to know what the Falklands War did for Margaret Thatcher. It saved her political skin. It made her (and her party) re-electable in 1983. The Falklands War was largely frowned on by the British public at first, but they came round after it was won and in the end, the streets were crammed with cheering people, waving flags and thinking Britain was "Great" once more. Shortly after the Falklands War, the Galtieri military junta in Buenos Aires fell and democracy was restored.

Politically, Blair may have thought "I'd like some of that". Perhaps he thought that he would be associated with the removal of Saddam in the same way that Thatcher is associated with being instrumental in restoring democracy in Argentina. A place in history is a big pull to man of Blair's massive ego.

Militarily, Blair would have known the outcome of the actual fighting was a no-brainer. Iraq could never resist the US Army on the battlefield. Blair no doubt thought it would be all over in an afternoon and everybody home in time for tea and medals. With a bit of luck we would suffer minimal casualities.

Participation in the war would gain kudos with the US, and could be spun to show him (Blair) to be a "Great War Leader" and international statesman (removing a hated despot for the good of humanity).

And so he lied. I am convinced he did so knowingly, cynically and with cynical intent aforethought.



The US didn't need Britain's military efforts any more than a cat needs pyjamas. However, the US knew the war that they wanted would be conspicuously illegal..... so, what they didneed was an ally.... another global player to add "legitimacy" to the war. Somebody with a bit of credibility as a just and peaceful nation, and preferably another permanent member of the UN Security Council to boot.

All of a sudden, the US remembered the "strong bonds of friendship which bind our two great nations"...... You know, the usual bulls*** the US gives us when they want something, (and which they just as quickly and conveniently forget when they're screwing us over something else.

Blair saw an easy victory and a lot of personal credit to be gained from going to war. The lure must have been irresistible.

Economically, it is possible that Bush promised Blair a slice of whatever pie there was to be made out of gaining control of Iraq. The most obvious carrot to be dangled was the countries' vast oil reserves.

There has been much talk, at the ongoing enquiry into the Iraq war, being held in London of a deal "signed in blood" between Tony Bliar and George W Bush. Of course, Blair denies such a deal ever happened, but then again, he would, wouldn't he..?

Of course, I can't prove any of this, but I think it's a credible guess at what may possibly have transpired.

Tony Blair is currently trying to rehabilitate himself in the eyes of the British public with his current book tour. If he had hoped for a soft, cosy ride, with easy photo opportunities and passive queues of smiling customers at book signings, then he's spent too much time in America in the last few years. He's forgotten just how much he really is a reviled figure in this country.

Blair is close to being a pariah in his own country as any former Prime Minister ever has been. Even Margaret Thatcher isn't as reviled (except, perhaps, in Yorkshire and Liverpool)as Tony Blair.

He lied to his people and all the denials in the world won't ever change that. Not only did he lie, but having been found out, many times over, he still continues to lie. He treats the British people with contempt and tries to win us over with his squalid version of events. Giving the profits from his book to the Royal British Legion is little more than conscience money...... blood money.

You can't wipe the blood off your hands with ?50 notes, Mr Blair.

He doesn't need the profits from this book. He's made enough dosh on his lucrative lecture tours of the US to ensuer he never has to work again as long as he lives. What he is concerned about is his place in history.

He will never admit he lied. And because of that, and that alone, he will remain a discredited, disgraced figure, loathed by millions of people who once voted for him.

And now wish they hadn't.
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