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GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#1New Post! Jun 30, 2012 @ 19:10:49
To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts. Jews then were God’s tools in carrying out God’s plan. Jews then should be venerated just as Jesus is because Jesus and Jews were required and caused by God to participate in the sacrifice. They were all doing God’s will and not their own.

Jesus was a Jew and to hate Jews means that Jesus is also hated. The church has historically persecuted Jews and only repented for their actions in 2011 with the pope acknowledging that not all Jews should be hated. Just those directly involved in the sacrifice of Jesus. Ignoring of course that they were charged directly by God to be and do what God wanted.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/jews-not-responsible-for-death-of-christ-pope-says-49267/

Why then have Christians historically hated Jews, and by inference, hate the Jew part of God/Jesus the Jew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKg4HLsu5gE&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2KwQ&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

The weird twist to this history is that the Christian right who hates Jews the most, is now the ones pushing for funding of the Jewish homeland to fulfill prophesy.

Most Jews do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Is the Christian right just funding Jews to help drive them to destruction at the hands of God?

Jews tend not to read the O. T. the way Christians do. Are Christian interpretations of Jewish text superior or inferior to the Jewish interpretation of their own myths?

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#2New Post! Jun 30, 2012 @ 19:11:09
I asked a well-informed Jewish friend to comment before I posted this and this is what he had to say.

Modern Jews and ancient Jews for one. I suppose you are concerned about modern Jewish opinion. Yes, some modern Jews are concerned that Christian Right support isn't for the best, that there is a hidden agenda to benefit Christian Right at the expense of Jews. Other modern Jews (particularly Israeli Right) don't care if there is a hidden agenda or not, they are happy to take anyone's support. These same cynical guys gave and took support from White S African racists (prior to Mandela liberation) and supported the White S African nuclear weapons program. Such people are typically atheist Israeli Jews BTW. Religious Jews generally distrust any Christians bearing gifts (they are Greeks of a sort anyway). Atheists Jews aren't particular, they will take support from anyone (see their behavior in the early Soviet Union). Modern Israel was founded by atheist socialist Jews (the Bund). Religious Jews prior to 1948 and some even prior to 1967 did not believe that Israel should be re-established, without the Messiah. Some religious Jews still believe this (Naturei Karta) and these Jews have cordial relations with Hamas. Such Jews of course would be anathema to the Christian Right. The Christian Right doesn't mind atheist Jews, because they believe all Jews atheist or not will be damned by G-d. Some of the Christian Right also believe that the Jews are not real Jews, only Gentiles are Jews (at least some are seen as such, such as the British Royal Family ... see Anglo-American Israelitism). Many Gentiles believe that modern Jews are of impure "race" anyway, or are even nephelim (angelic spawned demons). A good book on the death of Jesus (at least in literature if not in fact) is "Who Killed Jesus?" by John Dominic Crossan.

Actually I would say that to hate anyone, is to hate G-d ... so some of the verses of the Bible are clearly not inspired, because hate is talked about positively at times. It is possible that some verses are meant ironically. The other thing your scheme implies is that of Pauline predetermination. Paul clearly went beyond predestination to predetermination. He didn't believe in free will, and pointedly talked about his lack of free will, and resulting lack of responsibility, in the beginning of the Epistle to the Romans. In no way did Jesus ever talk in those terms, but then Paul wasn't a follower of the fictional synoptic Jesus (aka a historical Jesus), but of a gnostic angelic figure (vision on the road to Damascus) more like the Johannine Jesus. I don't believe the idea of a realistic Jesus even occurred to anyone until after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was after Paul's death. The realistic synoptic Jesus was turned into the historical Jesus by Christian argumentation. The actual Johannine gospel came last, but its ideas were first, having been written in reaction to the synoptic Jesus, who was written in reaction to the Gnostic Jesus aka Avalokiteshvara and the Gnostic Virgin Mary (Prajnaparamita).

There are lots of reasons for Christians to hate Jews and vice versa:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13855238

But I don't think it has ever been legitimate, that is ... it is an expression of sin not virtue. Christians and Muslims should especially value Jewish people, but they are violent, immoral, jealous, stupid (well that is the Jewish stereotype).

Shalom
galastaray On June 08, 2016
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#3New Post! Jun 30, 2012 @ 19:20:44
By the same logic, to hate the devil is to hate God?
Reviso On November 23, 2014

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Trenton, Canada
#4New Post! Jun 30, 2012 @ 20:22:27
But Zoroastrianism can have to hate surrender is to hate the devil.
Richard142 On February 15, 2015




Greater London, United Kingdom
#5New Post! Jun 30, 2012 @ 20:50:14
Only hate ignorance and the unwillingness to learn [= having closed minds] but never to hate othere or oneself. We need ways to understand other people and not to write off any group of believers. To start by respecting ourselves, but not through self obsession. Hatred and revengefull acts only serve to thwart reconcelliation. Never to forget our collective past but to use this knowledge to build a more unified world society. To glorify our diversity so long as nobody / group / tribe / nation is hurt in this process. "Ask, listen, share" could be the best both in the short term in order that this harmony enables future generations to be content. There will always be situations that challange us. Let love eventually replace hate in this continuing quest for concilliation.
Reviso On November 23, 2014

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#6New Post! Jun 30, 2012 @ 21:09:31
@Richard142 Said

Only hate ignorance and the unwillingness to learn [= having closed minds] but never to hate othere or oneself. We need ways to understand other people and not to write off any group of believers. To start by respecting ourselves, but not through self obsession. Hatred and revengefull acts only serve to thwart reconcelliation. Never to forget our collective past but to use this knowledge to build a more unified world society. To glorify our diversity so long as nobody / group / tribe / nation is hurt in this process. "Ask, listen, share" could be the best both in the short term in order that this harmony enables future generations to be content. There will always be situations that challange us. Let love eventually replace hate in this continuing quest for concilliation.



I can see your point, but international boundaries are seeming to return to destabilized regions of the world like Asia minor and the Greece and the Balkans. It would appear to me that reconciliation be realized by the decision of God OR Gods stemming for bilateral conditions of tolerance,--- before respect is even recognized by trade and commerce .
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