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woodss On February 26, 2024




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#1New Post! Dec 01, 2020 @ 14:33:51
There are people with a extreme views in any branch of religion and those with moderate views, in this forum there was a extreme ex-Jehovahs Witness that church was a total bigot, thats not my approach to religion even if I do have similar religious views. I object to Christians and religious people in general using religion to be a utter bigot.

However I see both sides of the coin im more empathetic towards differences of opinion in my opinion, in my way to approach religion and differences of opinions is never force your view down a persons throat that’s the worse that one can do.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#2New Post! Dec 01, 2020 @ 15:13:27
@woodss Said

There are people with a extreme views in any branch of religion and those with moderate views, in this forum there was a extreme ex-Jehovahs Witness that church was a total bigot, thats not my approach to religion even if I do have similar religious views. I object to Christians and religious people in general using religion to be a utter bigot.

However I see both sides of the coin im more empathetic towards differences of opinion in my opinion, in my way to approach religion and differences of opinions is never force your view down a persons throat that’s the worse that one can do.


GeorgeMichaelBluth On December 02, 2020




Rockford, Louisiana
#3New Post! Dec 02, 2020 @ 00:43:00
I dont mind if people are spiritual or religious. If someone believes they know what happens when we die,then thats fine. My dad (a Christian) took his own life in 2009. He once told me and my sister that suicide is a one way ticket to hell. Many youth group leaders and pastors preached the same regularly. However at my dads funeral, at the church we went to for over 12 years,the pastor said "We know where Andy is. And hes in heaven." Which i never understood. Suicide is murder,you're murdering yourself without a chance of repentance because you're dead. I asked this same pastor why he said that. He said, "Your dad would never do that. That was someone else in your dads body,he wasnt in his right mind" . In this case Christianity is a religion of convenience. And what little respect i did have is no more. However if it helps people get through a tragedy, who am i to say they are wrong. Great topic and thanks for taking the time. Be safe all.
dookie On December 16, 2023
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Dec 02, 2020 @ 10:11:47
@GeorgeMichaelBluth Said

I dont mind if people are spiritual or religious. If someone believes they know what happens when we die,then thats fine. My dad (a Christian) took his own life in 2009. He once told me and my sister that suicide is a one way ticket to hell. Many youth group leaders and pastors preached the same regularly. However at my dads funeral, at the church we went to for over 12 years,the pastor said "We know where Andy is. And hes in heaven." Which i never understood. Suicide is murder,you're murdering yourself without a chance of repentance because you're dead. I asked this same pastor why he said that. He said, "Your dad would never do that. That was someone else in your dads body,he wasnt in his right mind" . In this case Christianity is a religion of convenience. And what little respect i did have is no more. However if it helps people get through a tragedy, who am i to say they are wrong. Great topic and thanks for taking the time. Be safe all.



My experience is that Faith and Belief are opposites. I understand how many relate the two, how they are intertwined or whatever, but I always experience belief as dictatorial, explicit, dredging up the past conditioning and prejudice, pulling forth reactions and judgements of events seeking to "justify" them.......I think your post gives examples. The judgement is made then rationalised according to belief .

Faith as I know it has no "content", it is a simple Trust in Reality, but sets no conditions. I am not safe from harm yet all is well, and "all manner of things shall be well" as the Christian mystic Mother Julian of Norwich has said. From this "ground" of trust I find I can open to others. Neither I nor any other needs to be "justified." Reality itself justifies.

Though this may sound very passive, even static, I find it liberating, a catalyst of genuine transformation.

I am reminded of a passage from the writings of Thomas Merton concerning the outlook of Chuang Tzu....

"The way of Tao is to begin with the simple good with which one is endowed by the very fact of existence. Instead of self-conscious cultivation of this good (which vanishes when we look at it and becomes intangible when we try to grasp it), we grow quietly in the humility of a simple, ordinary life, and this way is analogous (at least psychologically) to the Christian “life of faith.” It is more a matter of believing the good than of seeing it as the fruit of one’s effort."

"Humility" aside ( ) those words hit some targets (though "believing the good" tends to detract from my perspective!)
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#5New Post! Dec 07, 2020 @ 20:43:28
@woodss Said

There are people with a extreme views in any branch of religion and those with moderate views, in this forum there was a extreme ex-Jehovahs Witness that church was a total bigot, thats not my approach to religion even if I do have similar religious views. I object to Christians and religious people in general using religion to be a utter bigot.

However I see both sides of the coin im more empathetic towards differences of opinion in my opinion, in my way to approach religion and differences of opinions is never force your view down a persons throat that’s the worse that one can do.


I do not think it possible to force a belief into someone.

Those who would use inquisitions and jihads think the opposite.

Force is useless if the intelligence of the interlocutor is low and sheeple like.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL
GreatestIam2 On January 06, 2023




Ottawa, Canada
#6New Post! Dec 07, 2020 @ 20:45:47
@GeorgeMichaelBluth Said

I dont mind if people are spiritual or religious.



Neither do I if they do not lie.

The religious in the god religions always do.

Insert gays and women harmed by homophobic and misogynous religions to this quote. You should get an idea of what you should be doing with the homophobic and misogynous mainstream religions if you live by the golden rule.

Please get back to me with your conclusion.

Martin Niemöller
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Regards
DL
woodss On February 26, 2024




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#7New Post! Dec 28, 2020 @ 20:45:38
There is Fanatics in all religion and conservative views which if it works for them that’s fine but don’t put it down another ones throat.
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