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dookie On 28 minutes ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#1New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 09:51:53
Just reading bits and pieces from a book "Medieval London" (2 volumes) by Walter Besant. It begins with Henry II, who reigned from 1164:-


From the outset he gave the whole nation, barons and burgesses, to understand that he meant to be King. To begin with, he ordered all aliens to depart. The land and the City were full of them; they were known by their gait as well as their speech; the good people of London looked about the streets, the day after the proclamation of exile, for these unwelcome guests, whose violence they had endured so long. They were gone “as though they had been phantoms.”

<------ Donald Trump.

So easy in the Good Old Days, when "men were men" etc etc etc etc. No walls, no messing about, just "get out" and hey presto! "they" were gone.

(Fill in your own perceived "other" for "they" )
Jennifer1984 On about 3 hours ago
Returner and proud





Penzance, United Kingdom
#2New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 16:04:40
@dookie Said

Just reading bits and pieces from a book "Medieval London" (2 volumes) by Walter Besant. It begins with Henry II, who reigned from 1164:-


From the outset he gave the whole nation, barons and burgesses, to understand that he meant to be King. To begin with, he ordered all aliens to depart. The land and the City were full of them; they were known by their gait as well as their speech; the good people of London looked about the streets, the day after the proclamation of exile, for these unwelcome guests, whose violence they had endured so long. They were gone “as though they had been phantoms.”

<------ Donald Trump.

So easy in the Good Old Days, when "men were men" etc etc etc etc. No walls, no messing about, just "get out" and hey presto! "they" were gone.

(Fill in your own perceived "other" for "they" )


Hmmmm… So, Henry Plantagenet, or Court Manteau to give him his regnal nickname, wanted to throw the foreigners out of England, eh..?

That would be the King who was born in France, was Duke of Normandy until he acceded to the English throne, who took the King of France's wife (Eleanor of Aquitaine) for himself, had four sons, all of whom were born in France.... who spent most of his life fighting wars in France to gain French possessions which would later become known as the Angevin Empire...… He imprisoned his wife in France (when he thought she was getting too powerful and became a threat)….. he died in France and is buried in France.

Yep. That King of England.

On the plus side, he was a great lawmaker and legal reformer. He invented the court system from which our present day justice system has evolved, creating travelling justices who travelled around the counties hearing cases and passing judgements on them. They were called Shire Reeves, which in modern times has morphed into "Sheriff". He passed the law on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty and also the right of silence.

He cracked down on crime, passing a law that enabled the seizing of belongings of thieves and fugitives.

He did try to reform the church, especially Canon Law, but came a cropper when he was constantly out-manoeuvered by Thomas Becket... and we all know how badly that ended.

Three of his sons became King. Henry the younger died in young age so never actually acceded to throne even though he was crowned in infancy (a sort of dynastic back up system that used to exist). However, two of his sons did: Richard I (Coeur de Lion: The Lionheart) and John (who lost the crown jewels and was forced to put his seal to Magna Carta).

All in all a pretty impressive reign. But I think it was a bit bare faced of him to tell all the foreigners to get out.
dookie On 28 minutes ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#3New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 16:49:32
@Jennifer1984 Said

Hmmmm… So, Henry Plantagenet, or Court Manteau to give him his regnal nickname, wanted to throw the foreigners out of England, eh..?



All in all a pretty impressive reign. But I think it was a bit bare faced of him to tell all the foreigners to get out.



Yes, that King of England, not to be confused with Edward II, who ended up - some say - with a poker up his.......

Very confusing during those years, am I French or English?

But let's face it, if you can steal a land from the natives, then keep slaves, then draft the American Constitution and keep a straight face, why not chuck the foreigners out when you pop over to England from France?
darkman666 On about 6 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#6New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 19:23:33
@dookie Said

Just "nicking"? My own ancestry is a bit more spicy....

Only kidding.......I suspect more a mixing of Royal blood with some Lord or other.




i don't think farm animals like sheep that live on the same place as royal blood counts to be part of royal family. you may part of the royal farmer's animal family, you might relate to.
dookie On 28 minutes ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 20:21:50
@darkman666 Said

i don't think farm animals like sheep that live on the same place as royal blood counts to be part of royal family. you may part of the royal farmer's animal family, you might relate to.



Definitely a Ewan in the family history.......which could be a cover up.

darkman666 On about 6 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#8New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 20:57:10
@dookie Said

Definitely a Ewan in the family history.......which could be a cover up.




definitely a ewok - a little character that in star wars. you be proud that your family tree is part of ewok family.
darkman666 On about 6 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#9New Post! Sep 08, 2020 @ 21:01:56
definite ewan -Ewan is an anglicisation of the Scottish Gaelic name, Eòghann. It is possibly a derivative of the Pictish name, Vuen (or 'Wen', "born of the mountain."[1] It is most common as a male given name in Scotland and Canada. It is also, less commonly, a surname, especially among the Scottish Clans.

you could be a redneck ewan that make moonshine in the mountains. you sell your booze in canada.
DiscordTiger On about 14 hours ago
The Queen of Random

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Emerald City, United States (g
#10New Post! Sep 09, 2020 @ 00:34:23
@dookie Said



But let's face it, if you can steal a land from the natives, then keep slaves, then draft the American Constitution and keep a straight face, why not chuck the foreigners out when you pop over to England from France?



I had to re read this a few times.

I kept thinking Thomas Jefferson.

I’ve been watching/listening to too much Hamilton.
darkman666 On about 6 hours ago




Saint Louis, Missouri
#11New Post! Sep 09, 2020 @ 01:17:01
@DiscordTiger Said

I had to re read this a few times.

I kept thinking Thomas Jefferson.

I’ve been watching/listening to too much Hamilton.



maybe you are thinking nick nolte's movie ," jefferson in paris ". it is good movie. 3 1/2 stars out of 4 stars.
mrmhead On 21 minutes ago




NE, Ohio
#12New Post! Sep 09, 2020 @ 02:00:44
@dookie Said

Just reading bits and pieces from a book "Medieval London" (2 volumes) by Walter Besant. It begins with Henry II, who reigned from 1164:-


From the outset he gave the whole nation, barons and burgesses, to understand that he meant to be King. To begin with, he ordered all aliens to depart. The land and the City were full of them; they were known by their gait as well as their speech; the good people of London looked about the streets, the day after the proclamation of exile, for these unwelcome guests, whose violence they had endured so long. They were gone “as though they had been phantoms.”

<------ Donald Trump.

So easy in the Good Old Days, when "men were men" etc etc etc etc. No walls, no messing about, just "get out" and hey presto! "they" were gone.

(Fill in your own perceived "other" for "they" )


Yes, wasn't there a Doctor Who episode on that? Henry II called on The Doctor for help.
dookie On 28 minutes ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#13New Post! Sep 09, 2020 @ 07:42:37
@mrmhead Said

Yes, wasn't there a Doctor Who episode on that? Henry II called on The Doctor for help.



Maybe, I'm not much of a Doctor Who fan. I do know that the Doctor received invitations to each of Henry VIII's six weddings (thank you Google) but nothing on the second Henry.
dookie On 28 minutes ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#14New Post! Sep 09, 2020 @ 07:44:35
@DiscordTiger Said

I had to re read this a few times.




Now there is tragic.....once is more than enough for my waffle.

dookie On 28 minutes ago
Foolish Bombu





, United Kingdom
#15New Post! Sep 09, 2020 @ 07:49:12
@darkman666 Said

definite ewan -Ewan is an anglicisation of the Scottish Gaelic name, Eòghann. It is possibly a derivative of the Pictish name, Vuen (or 'Wen', "born of the mountain."[1] It is most common as a male given name in Scotland and Canada. It is also, less commonly, a surname, especially among the Scottish Clans.

you could be a redneck ewan that make moonshine in the mountains. you sell your booze in canada.



Thanks for the info......it was simply ewe (female sheep) and Ewan and the subsequent cover up!

Anyway, as this is a family forum I will resist the temptation to relate the story of the country yokel who was overcome with emotion when, walking in the hills, he spotted the place where he had first made love.

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