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Crush On June 23, 2021




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#31New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 07:24:34
It's just another exercise in thought control. The narrowing of the mind is now being lauded as "progress." Sad times we live in.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#32New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 11:59:31
@Crush Said

It's just another exercise in thought control. The narrowing of the mind is now being lauded as "progress." Sad times we live in.



How is it controlling your mind?
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
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Wichita, Kansas
#33New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 14:07:54
@Crush Said

It's just another exercise in thought control. The narrowing of the mind is now being lauded as "progress." Sad times we live in.


Yeah, we should never have "narrowed" our minds when we let them blacks get out of slavery. Sad time then as now?
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#34New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 17:05:29
I think that we should invent a place where every flag and ensign that has ever been made can be put up so that we can collectively remember our heritage(s).

Oh wait... we already invented that kind of place: a museum.
shinobinoz On May 28, 2017
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Wichita, Kansas
#35New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 20:35:12
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#36New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 21:53:41


...which belong in museums.
chaski On March 28, 2024
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Tree at Floydgirrl's Window,
#37New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 22:11:57
@JTFSCOTT Said



You claim to want "common ground" and "rational dialog".... but you refuse to either look for "common ground" nor participate in "rational dialog"...

Pretty disingenuous.

Pretty funny.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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Emerald City, United States (g
#38New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 22:52:07
stars and bars is not the flag that was flying in SC. That flag was the Southern Cross
restoreone On January 30, 2022




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#39New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 23:41:03
"The Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan’s Pelham, North Carolina, chapter have reserved the Statehouse Grounds in South Carolina for a rally next month.
James Spears, the Great Titan of the chapter, said the group would be rallying to protest “the Confederate flag being took down for all the wrong reasons.”"


Read more: https://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/kkk-chapter-north-carolina-rally-south-carolina-statehouse-confederate-flag-119548.html#ixzz3eUuf6a62
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#40New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 23:52:18
@mrmhead Said

Ohh... this could get sticky, while sliding a bit off topic but ....
Is slavery necessarily equivalent to racism?


The guy that designed the second confederate flag, which was the basis of using the southern cross as a battle flag, because the stars and bars was too confusing on the battle field.
That flag is:
When he proposed the design he said: "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. Upon a red field would stand forth out southern cross, gemmed with the stars of confederation all combined, preserving in a beautiful contrast the red, white and blue."

The white proved to be a problem when it was not windy, it still looked like a surrender flag, so they either added a red bar at the end, or used just the square cross part. Even though the original designer didn't think it would be a problem, he was determined to have a lot of white, so it would be the white man's flag.

So... to refer to your question, slavery may not be necessarily an equivalent to racism, but the people fighting this particular fight of this type of slavery (and designing these flags, had a pretty clear racist belief.

Either way, it's not just a flag of rebellion, it's a flag flown while perpetrating full out treason.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#41New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 23:58:15
@DiscordTiger Said

So... to refer to your question, slavery may not be necessarily an equivalent to racism, but the people fighting this particular fight of this type of slavery (and designing these flags, had a pretty clear racist belief.


Thank you - well framed!
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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Saint Louis, Missouri
#42New Post! Jun 29, 2015 @ 23:59:21
@mrmhead Said

Ohh... this could get sticky, while sliding a bit off topic but ....
Is slavery necessarily equivalent to racism?



Necessarily? I don't think so in every case. White folks enslaving white folks is not racist. Black folks enslaving other black folks isn't.

I think in the case of slavery in the history of the U.S. though, yes...because black people were by the staggering, astronomical majority brought here specifically to be slaves and as a result of being considered property, they eventually became seen as less than human specifically because they were black people.
DiscordTiger On December 04, 2021
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#43New Post! Jun 30, 2015 @ 00:09:18
@mrmhead Said

Thank you - well framed!

It's the librarian thing. So many people around me are talking about this and looking up original sources. Makes the General Discourse a little better than General Namecalling. Of which, neither have anything on General f***ery.
mrmhead On March 27, 2024




NE, Ohio
#44New Post! Jun 30, 2015 @ 00:09:38
@Eaglebauer Said

Necessarily? I don't think so in every case. White folks enslaving white folks is not racist. Black folks enslaving other black folks isn't.

I think in the case of slavery in the history of the U.S. though, yes...because black people were by the staggering, astronomical majority brought here specifically to be slaves and as a result of being considered property, they eventually became seen as less than human specifically because they were black people.


So, in the US, slavery led to racism.

... I did a quick Google for "slaves of Egypt" and just read a few quotes:
Slaves were prisoners of war, children were sold into slavery by poor families, etc...
Eaglebauer On July 23, 2019
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#45New Post! Jun 30, 2015 @ 00:10:35
@DiscordTiger Said

....General f***ery.



Wasn't he in charge of Gitmo?
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