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markfox01 On October 23, 2021
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Welshman in Brum.., United Kin
#1New Post! Mar 06, 2008 @ 16:12:45
School 1977 vs. School 2007
Many a true word is spoken in jest but.......

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1977 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.

2007 - Police are called, Armed Response Unit arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence. They are charged with assault, ASBOs are taken out and both are suspended even though Johnny started it. Diversionary conferences and parent meetings conducted. Video shown on 6 internet sites.

Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.

1977 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given 6 of the best. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because Jeffrey has a disability. Drops out of school.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbour's car and his Dad gives him the slipper.

1977 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mum has an affair with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a promotion.

Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .

1977 - Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking area.

2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Mohammed fails high school English.

1977 - Mohammed retakes his exam, passes and goes to college.

2007 - Mohammed's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and his English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Mohammed is given his qualification anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a model plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.

1977 - Ants die.

2007 - MI5 and police are called and Johnny is charged with perpertrating acts of terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls during break and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.

1977 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. Becomes gay.
treetopflyer On March 19, 2008

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Emerald City,
#2New Post! Mar 06, 2008 @ 16:16:33
well the times they are a changin'
mark_is_god On June 26, 2015




antrim, Ireland
#3New Post! Mar 06, 2008 @ 16:22:42
and yet 1977 was still more violent than today.
knotme On March 20, 2016




London, United Kingdom
#4New Post! Mar 06, 2008 @ 16:38:10
@mark_is_god Said
and yet 1977 was still more violent than today.


I have to disagree with you on that, mark. You very rarely heard of teenagers being murdered either on the street or in their own homes during 1977. How many were murdered in London last year? There have been something like half a dozen this year alone.
mark_is_god On June 26, 2015




antrim, Ireland
#5New Post! Mar 06, 2008 @ 16:46:17
@knotme Said
I have to disagree with you on that, mark. You very rarely heard of teenagers being murdered either on the street or in their own homes during 1977. How many were murdered in London last year? There have been something like half a dozen this year alone.


well of course there be more murders overall today than in the 70's
just look at the population back then and compare it today.

there may be quite a few murders this year in london.
but look back at the troubles during the 70's
ubik On June 02, 2008




Liverpool, United Kingdom
#6New Post! Mar 06, 2008 @ 20:51:44
@markfox01 Said
School 1977 vs. School 2007
Many a true word is spoken in jest but.......

Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1977 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.

2007 - Police are called, Armed Response Unit arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence. They are charged with assault, ASBOs are taken out and both are suspended even though Johnny started it. Diversionary conferences and parent meetings conducted. Video shown on 6 internet sites.

Scenario: Jeffrey won't sit still in class, disrupts other students.

1977 - Jeffrey is sent to the principal's office and given 6 of the best. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because Jeffrey has a disability. Drops out of school.

Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbour's car and his Dad gives him the slipper.

1977 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mum has an affair with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a promotion.

Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .

1977 - Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking area.

2007 - Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario: Mohammed fails high school English.

1977 - Mohammed retakes his exam, passes and goes to college.

2007 - Mohammed's cause is taken up by local human rights group. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that making English a requirement for graduation is racist. Civil Liberties Association files class action lawsuit against state school system and his English teacher. English is banned from core curriculum. Mohammed is given his qualification anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a model plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.

1977 - Ants die.

2007 - MI5 and police are called and Johnny is charged with perpertrating acts of terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny's dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario: Johnny falls during break and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.

1977 - Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy. Becomes gay.


Just out of interest, are any of these scenarios based on true events or just hyperbole?

Either way, evoking the past to complain about the present always seemed forlorn. For better or worse, things change and the only way to deal with this is to look ahead not back.
knotme On March 20, 2016




London, United Kingdom
#7New Post! Mar 07, 2008 @ 14:20:52
@mark_is_god Said
well of course there be more murders overall today than in the 70's
just look at the population back then and compare it today.

there may be quite a few murders this year in london.
but look back at the troubles during the 70's


You may be right about the size of the population being a factor, mark. But it's not the whole story.

When you talk about the "troubles" during the 70's, do you mean the IRA bombings? It was terrible living through them. I was in a restaurant when a bomb went off in a nearby military outfitters and I've never moved so fast as when I got out of there, along with the other customers. I also remember there being a bomb scare at Oxford Circus Underground Station almost every lunch time for the duration of the IRA attacks.

But other than that, there wasn't the same amount of violence then as we have now. On the whole, people respected others (and themselves) and so disputes didn't escalate into violence. A knife in the ribs wasn't the solution to someone looking at another person the wrong way, like it is in a lot of places now.

However, post-Thatcher, things are very different. Mrs Thatcher became Prime Minister of the UK in 1979 and her attitudes changed things, and not for the better, imo. Now, in the main, we have the "Look after No 1" attitude and it shows in the way people treat each other. That is something which has got far far worse since the 70's.

I'm not totally blaming Mrs Thatcher though. I believe she was a product of the way things were going anyway. It's just that for me, she epitomises the horrible difference between the 70's and now.
markfox01 On October 23, 2021
innit!





Welshman in Brum.., United Kin
#8New Post! Mar 07, 2008 @ 14:24:18
My parents lived and grew up in the 70's, they always say life back then was so much better, and simple.. then thatcher came in and created the world of pain we live in even to this day..
markfox01 On October 23, 2021
innit!





Welshman in Brum.., United Kin
#9New Post! Mar 07, 2008 @ 14:26:12
@ubik Said
Just out of interest, are any of these scenarios based on true events or just hyperbole?

Either way, evoking the past to complain about the present always seemed forlorn. For better or worse, things change and the only way to deal with this is to look ahead not back.


We can learn alot from the past to make a future better. If you ask me crime was low, family break up was rare, teenage pregannacy was not an issue, unemployment was low, immigration was low, poverty excisted but people got on with it..
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